Top 10 Offense?

[Mr. Arrowhead]

On NFL Live, they had a debate on whether the Chiefs can be a Top 10 offense, and surprisingly they both thought that we would be in the top 10 in offense. Kind of crazy

[Pasta Little Brioni]

The extra throws are going to be extentions of the running game. We'll see more screens to the backs, smoke screens, and drags to Bowe than before. We'll also see recievers like Avery creating better spacing/opening up the intermediate routes with more gos and deep posts. It'll be a totally new experience this year.

[MagicHef]

Originally Posted by PGM

The extra throws are going to be extentions of the running game. We'll see more screens to the backs, smoke screens, and drags to Bowe than before. We'll also see recievers like Avery creating better spacing/opening up the intermediate routes with more gos and deep posts. It'll be a totally new experience this year.

Based on what? Reid's QBs have almost always been near the top of the league in deep passing percentage. In 2009, McNabb was #7, Vick was #5 in 2010 and #8 in 2011. Reid loves throwing deep often.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by MagicHef

Based on what? Reid's QBs have almost always been near the top of the league in deep passing percentage. In 2009, McNabb was #7, Vick was #5 in 2010 and #8 in 2011. Reid loves throwing deep often.

Those guys have howitzers though. The decision to let loose comes from the individual himself. Sure, Alex will throw more and try to stretch the field a couple of more times a game, but the big difference will be the deep routes that open up the field. It was ridiculous seeing 5 guys run routes 10 yards or shorter the last several years and sooo many passes were picked off on tipped balls because of it. Better spacing.

[penbrook]

According to John Clayton the Chiefs are expected to make a contract offer to Branden Albert.

[BossChief]

If Alex can become an effective deep ball thrower and use his legs to extend plays and move the chains...while continuing to dissect teams with the short and intermediate passing, we are gonna be in for some fun years of Chiefs football.

Sure would be nice...it's been awhile since watching a Chiefs game was fun.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by MagicHef

Overall, teams became slightly more pass focused in the offseason, going from 46.8% run to 45.8%.

That's < 1 pass more per game unless you are throwing it 100 times or getting 200 plays a game in on offense which isn't possible.

This tells me teams aren't as pass happy as CP would like to think. You still run more than pass.

[MagicHef]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

That's < 1 pass more per game unless you are throwing it 100 times or getting 200 plays a game in on offense which isn't possible.

This tells me teams aren't as pass happy as CP would like to think. You still run more than pass.

Both 46.8 and 45.8 are less than 50. If you are running less than 50% of the time, do you think that you're running more than you pass?

[MagicHef]

I just realized that sacks aren't included in this at all. The numbers should be even more skewed towards passing.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by MagicHef

Both 46.8 and 45.8 are less than 50. If you are running less than 50% of the time, do you think that you're running more than you pass?

Yea I misread that as pass% still its not much difference.

It seems you can look this up fairly easy. The team with the MOST offensive plays per game last year was New England at 73.

So thats about 34 running plays and 39 pass plays and less than 1 more pass in the playoffs.

If you look at the avg its 63 plays a game or 29.5 running plays and 33.5 pass plays.I don't see some huge disparity.

http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/plays-per-game

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by MagicHef

I just realized that sacks aren't included in this at all. The numbers should be even more skewed towards passing.

To be a sack wouldn't it have to be a pass play? The QB being tackled behind the LOS?

[keg in kc]

The eagles last year attempted 618 passes, and ran the ball 413 times. That averages out to 38.6 passes and 25.8 rushes per game.

In 2011 it was 554 passes and 450 runs. 34.6 and 28.1

In 2010 it was 561 passes and 428 runs. 35.1 and 26.8

In 2009 it was 553 passes and 384 runs. 34.6 and 24.0

In 2008 it was 606 passes and 427 runs. 37.9 and 26.7

So the most "balanced" offense for Andy Reid in the last 5 years was an offense that attempted passes 6.5 times per game more than they ran. And that number itself was most likely skewed by rushes by Vick (more than 100 carries that season). The rest of the time it's been leaning towards the pass over the run by around 10 attempts/game.

[ptlyon]

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[MagicHef]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

To be a sack wouldn't it have to be a pass play? The QB being tackled behind the LOS?

Yeah, I originally just added pass attempts and rushing attempts. Sacks don't count as either, so they got left out. Adding in sacks changes it a little. For example, Reid has a lifetime 41.1% run percentage, not 42.8.

In 2005, he almost called twice as many passes as runs (35.5% run).

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

The eagles last year attempted 618 passes, and ran the ball 413 times. That averages out to 38.6 passes and 25.8 rushes per game.

In 2011 it was 554 passes and 450 runs. 34.6 and 28.1

In 2010 it was 561 passes and 428 runs. 35.1 and 26.8

In 2009 it was 553 passes and 384 runs. 34.6 and 24.0

In 2008 it was 606 passes and 427 runs. 37.9 and 26.7

So the most "balanced" offense for Andy Reid in the last 5 years was an offense that attempted passes 6.5 times per game more than they ran. And that number itself was most likely skewed by rushes by Vick (more than 100 carries that season). The rest of the time it's been leaning towards the pass over the run by around 10 attempts/game.

Interesting. I think 2011 is close to what we will be looking at but wouldn't be surprised to see either the run rate climb slightly or a lot of those passes be to JC.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Interesting. I think 2011 is close to what we will be looking at but wouldn't be surprised to see either the run rate climb slightly or a lot of those passes be to JC.

I'd lean towards passes to Charles. I think his runs will be down but his touches will be up, since the short passing game is Reid's equivalent to the running game. Which I think will be advantageous to Charles in the long run. And we already know Smith can handle that aspect of the offense, because that's basically what he did in SF. However, Reid's also always asked his QBs to go downfield with the ball, and I don't expect he'll change his stripes now. Leaving us the question of whether Smith's able to execute a vertical attack.

Which is why I think that if we eventually see an offense skewed more towards running, it's probably a bad sign. Not that you don't want to tailor to your personnel, of course.