|
04-01-2012, 03:23 PM | |
oxymoron
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: OP/KC/Whatever
Casino cash: $9556299
|
Game of Thrones *Spoiler* Thread
There's been some recent confusion with the old spoiler thread, so I'm kicking off a new one for tonight's premiere. This is going to be the one for folks who've read all the books. So anything anybody might want to talk about is in bounds. Suffice to say, if you haven't read the books, you'll probably want to stay out of here until you do...
I'll bump the old spoiler-free thread shortly in case anybody's interested. For future reference the link to that one is here |
Posts: 58,682
|
05-08-2012, 10:30 AM | #286 |
MVP
Join Date: Jun 2005
Casino cash: $2574855
|
Dany gets a little bit of an unfair rap IMO. Her story in book 2 is a very small part only covering 5 out of 70+ chapters. The House of the Undying chapter is excellent and full of interesting visions and prophecies, the rest are fine, but perhaps not thrilling. Still, we are only talking about 4 chapters.
In book 3, I thought Dany's story was excellent and a lot of fun to read. So I can't see how she had three consecutive bad books. Plus she is not even in book 4 at all, so she's not boring in book 3 or 4. I also liked her story in book 1 a lot. So really it is book 5 that is the biggest issue with Dany. Her chapters in Book 5 did have some tedious parts, and she certainly makes some mistakes. But she is a young girl trying to be a queen, and GRRM will try to make his characters' behavior realistic under their circumstances, even if it makes them less fun to read about (he does this with all three of Dany, Tyrion and Jon in book 5, especially the first 2/3 of the book). So my Dany summary would be: Book 1: Dany's story is good and interesting Book 2: Dany's story is only a small part but finishes strong with House of Undying Book 3: Dany kicks butt and takes names, I enjoyed her a lot in Book 3 Book 4: Dany's not in book 4 Book 5: Dany's story drags in this book until she finally flies away on Drogon near the end To me, Book 5 is her only real weak spot. |
Posts: 6,540
|
05-08-2012, 10:48 AM | #287 |
In Search of a Life
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Fayetteville, AR
Casino cash: $9040204
|
I agree. I thought it was cool to see her become really powerful and basically build herself an empire with 3 dragon hatchlings, the remnants of a khalasar, and an exiled knight. In the show, I think her character has gotten pretty whiny and annoying. I'm hoping to see her step it up now and see them give her character some teeth (fangs and fire).
__________________
In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican. - H. L. Mencken |
Posts: 21,776
|
05-08-2012, 10:48 AM | #288 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Some Dude's asshole
Casino cash: $8021398
|
Quote:
I love where Danny's story goes and the woman she becomes in Book 3. She's one of my favorite characters and it's largely because of her changes/actions in Storm. Book 5 is only difficult for me because of the repetition. Danny has more chapters in Dance than her story arc really requires. And that's all George Martin spinning his wheels. That's on him. Overall, I love what Danny becomes/goes through in Dance as well, it just goes on too long and has less forward momentum than it deserves. |
|
Posts: 3,834
|
05-08-2012, 12:15 PM | #289 | |
Sauntering Vaguely Downwards
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Columbia, Mo
Casino cash: $1529099
|
Quote:
Book 2 is interesting for her until she gets to Qarth for me. I'm not even all that amazed by the House of the Undying chapter. Maybe I need to read it again, but it just seemed too frenetic and disorganized. I just wanted to be done with it. She went from an extremely promising character in book 1 to just another demanding but ultimately over-matched 'King' by the end of book 5. Look at it this way - has she been any more successful or less entitled than Joffrey as a ruler? The only distinction is that she !@#$ed her way to the top of a Khalasar before relying on a shaky birthright. And while her motives are determined to be more 'pure', she's still all about killing folks to take over a country because she feels its hers by birth.
__________________
"If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags." |
|
Posts: 62,437
|
05-08-2012, 12:31 PM | #290 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Some Dude's asshole
Casino cash: $8021398
|
Quote:
She's a little girl growing into a woman. She's flawed, just like all of them. But, to me, comparing Danny to Joffrey is like saying that a cop who kills a serial killer is no better than the serial killer himself. Which, again, feels like an oversimplification to me. But I understand different storylines will appeal to different people. Last edited by Red Brooklyn; 05-08-2012 at 12:58 PM.. |
|
Posts: 3,834
|
05-08-2012, 01:28 PM | #291 |
MVP
Join Date: Jun 2005
Casino cash: $2574855
|
Okay, you totally lost me when you compared Dany to Joffrey. Really? Joffrey is an evil, sick twisted psychopath who derives pleasure from the suffering of others. Dany is an orphaned teenage girl who is willing to kill to claim the throne she thinks her family deserves, but doesn't derive any pleasure from it and only does it if she has to. She wants to free slaves, not enslave people. She wants to be loved by the people she rules and wants to take care of them, even if she doesn't really know how. Joffrey shoots arrows at his starving subjects to kill them for fun and could not care less whether they all starve to death and die. I mean come on. Really? If you didn't enjoy Dany's story in Book 3, then you just aren't going to be a fan of her. To each his own. But there's no basis for putting her at joffrey's level.
|
Posts: 6,540
|
05-08-2012, 01:37 PM | #292 |
MVP
Join Date: Jun 2005
Casino cash: $2574855
|
BTW, not sure if you've done a re-read, but the House of Undying chapter is great on a couple of fronts. One is that Drogon gets to burn the place down which is the first time we witness the power of the dragons and that they will protect Dany. And the bad guy Pyatt Pree gets the axe. But on a re-read, after having read all 5 books, it is a fascinating chapter in terms of the visions and prophecies. It is wild how much foreshadowing GRRM does in his books, and her vision of the king with the wolf's head sitting over a feast where all the guests are slain is one of the most obvious examples. The part about Rhaegar and Aegon and the song of ice and fire and the dragon having three heads is one of the key passages in all the books. She gets the three treasons prophecy. She sees the blue flower in a wall of ice (another clue that Jon is Lyanna's son). Lots of good stuff.
BTW, I've been re-reading book 2 for the first time while this season is going, and not only does GRRM have Dany foreshadow the Red Wedding in her visions, but in one of Theon's chapters, he dreams about all the people from Winterfell that are dead, and he also sees Robb and Grey Wind bleeding from a hundred cuts. Things like that are easy to gloss over the first time through, but they really stick out on a re-read when you know what's coming. GRRM definitiely warned us what was coming in his own subtle way. Amazing how much stuff I missed or forgot on my first reading. |
Posts: 6,540
|
05-08-2012, 01:43 PM | #293 |
sorta mod-ish
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: KC North
Casino cash: $2081616
|
I really, really need to read this series. I've done all the books via the audio route, and I just don't have the recall on specifics like many of you do.
|
Posts: 103,232
|
05-08-2012, 01:48 PM | #294 |
MVP
Join Date: Jun 2005
Casino cash: $2574855
|
I hear you, I knew a lot of specifics based on just reading things like the essays on the Tower of the Hand website which really provide a lot of good insights supported by book quotes, but I have not sat down and done a re-read all the way through myself until I picked up book 2 again in anticipation of this season. These books really do hold up well to a re-read. Looking forward to re-reading book 3 as a lot of the specifics of that one are fuzzy to me at this point, though I may wait until closer to the next season starting.
|
Posts: 6,540
|
05-08-2012, 09:47 PM | #295 |
Supporter
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Parkville MO
Casino cash: $10005170
|
Wickedson found this... it's awesome.
http://www.theworldsbestever.com/201...ns/#more-83698 Love how they have the actors explain it all. |
Posts: 54,695
|
05-09-2012, 09:07 AM | #296 | |
Psycho Bag Of Squanch
Join Date: Sep 2001
Casino cash: $9594244
|
Quote:
I'm tired of little Dany the nice, I want to see grown-up Dany the vengeful bitch.
__________________
“Education is a weapon whose effect depends on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed.” Joseph Stalin |
|
Posts: 69,591
|
05-09-2012, 09:15 AM | #297 | |
Kind of a mod
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Donkey Land
Casino cash: $516899
|
Quote:
|
|
Posts: 52,334
|
05-13-2012, 08:14 PM | #298 |
Supporter
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Olathe, Ks
Casino cash: $1284127
|
Maybe I am fuzzy on the whole thing since it was 3 books ago but I don't remember the whole story with the dragons going the way it is in the show.
|
Posts: 129,397
|
05-13-2012, 08:16 PM | #299 |
Bazinga!
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Houston, TX
Casino cash: $151820
|
Yeah it's not like this at all.
__________________
|
Posts: 5,502
|
05-13-2012, 08:17 PM | #300 |
YOU take YOUR seat
Join Date: Nov 2007
Casino cash: $725105
|
I'm having a hard time watching this show. It seems nothing has happened. I'm on season 2, episode 4. I was pretty pumped at the end of season 1
Spoiler!
|
Posts: 34,644
|
|
|