Chiefs Woman behind the Redskins name change says the Chiefs should be on guard - Page 20

**BigRedChief** · 06-25-2014, 11:01 PM

The fight took a monumental shift at a protest nine years at Arrowhead Stadium and it’s about to come full circle. No matter what you think of the issue, it will soon be ubiquitous in and around Kansas City’s greatest obsession other than barbecue.

The Chiefs are aware of it, and are preparing accordingly.

Back in 2005, a group calling itself Not In Our Honor protested before the Chiefs played Washington. The protesters were predominately American Indians, united in their anger over what they perceived as offensive stereotypes passed off as nicknames for sports teams. An older woman, Suzan Harjo, one of the leaders of the protest, met a younger woman named Amanda Blackhorse, then a student at Kansas.
They bonded over their passion for the issue, and that’s how the case known as Blackhorse et al v. Pro-Football Inc. came to be. Last week the plaintiffs prevailed when the United States Patent and Trademark Office canceled the trademarks of the Washington Redskins.

The case is under appeal, but you should know that the woman who took on and (at least for the moment) defeated the corporate entity that owns Washington’s NFL team would like to see the same type of case brought against the Chiefs.
As she says, the spark that started back in 2005 at Arrowhead has created a fire that will probably soon return.

“What happens there, it’s just insane the things they allow to go on,” Blackhorse says of the Chiefs and Arrowhead. “They are definitely in the group (of offensive teams), for sure.”

For now, the Chiefs are publicly silent on this. But they know the fight is likely coming, and they hope a few things work in their favor — most notably that it’s tough to compare their nickname with the one in Washington that is a dictionary-defined racial slur. Blackhorse’s group has also protested baseball’s Cleveland Indians, and that team has greatly scaled back its use of the cartoonish Chief Wahoo logo.

The Chiefs have similarly scaled back some of their more obvious plays on Indian stereotypes, and they hope they have some other advantages when the fight comes. The team is named after H. Roe Bartle, the mayor who was key in Kansas City landing the team from Dallas in 1962. Bartle’s nickname was “The Chief.”

The team stopped using a man dressed in traditional headgear as a mascot during pregame festivities many years ago. In the early 1990s, many of the Chiefs’ defensive players posed for a poster that today both looks absolutely ridiculous and would never be recreated.
The team does, however, play the tomahawk chop during games and welcomes fans in headgear and other stereotypes of Native American dress.

Those are some of the parts of the game day experience that Blackhorse calls “insane,” and why she expects a fight that’s gaining momentum and support nationally to come to Kansas City.

She knows that the vast majority of Chiefs fans will oppose her, but she also knows that the vast majority of fans in Washington opposed her, as well.

She says there is “no middle ground with this issue,” that once an ethnic group is used as a nickname for a sports team, the people in that ethic group lose control of their identity and humanity.

“I don’t want people to think I’m going around pointing fingers, like, ‘You’re a racist, you’re a racist, you’re a racist,’ ” she says. “That’s not the point. The point is we’re offended. You can love Native Americans to death. You can have admiration, love what we do, how we are, whatever, and still (hijack) our culture without understanding it that way.”

Wherever you stand on this issue, there is no denying that Blackhorse’s side is making progress. Teams are sensitive to and aware of perpetuating stereotypes so much more than in the past, in response to public sentiment.

The issue is further complicated by context, that this is a fight centered around Indians, who make up about 1 percent of the nation’s population and who, in Blackhorse’s words, “are invisible sometimes to people.”
That makes getting the message out a bit more difficult. A group of people that feels offended by widespread stereotyping isn’t big enough to get critical mass on its own.

That’s why Blackhorse says the movement needs the help of non-Indians, and part of why she’s so encouraged by developments in Congress and with the trademark case.

There is a lot of momentum here, which can be dangerous for teams like the Chiefs that will likely soon find themselves directly in the fight.
“I’m not sure there’s anything the (Chiefs) can do at this point other than look for another name,” Blackhorse says. “They could be the team that says, ‘You know what? We understand the issue and we don’t want to be Dan Snyder and fight this in court forever. We want to do the right thing and move forward and avoid this entire battle.’ I’m sure fans will be upset, but still, that’s doing the right thing.

“If they want to be sensitive to Native American people, that’s the thing to do.”

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt...#storylink=cpy

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**007** · 06-26-2014, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmo20002

This one. They really should stop that. It's stupid.

If fans want to do something on their own, I'd let it be. But the team doesn't need to lead that dumb chant.

Half the time it is done it is at the wrong time too.

**BigRichard** · 06-26-2014, 04:08 PM

Cleveland Indians dilemma solved!

**007** · 06-26-2014, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Zarth

LET'S MAKE BABIES

JakeLV · 06-26-2014, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 3rd&48ers

That all you got?

If you had voted for the Tea party lady. Harry Reid would have lost and he is the chief puppet in all of this (uh oh, I said Chief)

Right... it other people's fault this woman is trying to force the changing of names of the teams.

Logic, as she said sir, is lacking

Titty Meat · 06-26-2014, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by KC native

Another CP armchair psychologist. What a surprise.

Tell us again how being 1/128th Native American makes you a Native American again.

The only people melting down over this is you and Just tosviolation By.

Tos violation mods give this piece of shit a vacation.

Fish · 06-26-2014, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 3rd&48ers

That all you got?

If you had voted for the Tea party lady. Harry Reid would have lost and he is the chief puppet in all of this (uh oh, I said Chief)

Moron.

BWillie · 06-26-2014, 04:27 PM

Ok ok hold on, I get the Redskins thing. Thats fine. But Chiefs, Indians, etc....that is too far. Its not degrading any race of ppl whatsoever. If you cant handle that get some thicker skin. What is next? The irish complaining about the Notre Dame fighting Irish, and the Celtics? Come on.

ToxSocks · 06-26-2014, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRichard

Cleveland Indians dilemma solved!

Dude.....your ass bruise is gross.

**Bwana** · 06-26-2014, 04:31 PM

Dear lady go find a hobby and **** off.

Kman34 · 06-26-2014, 04:33 PM

'Damm those sports teams...This is worse than pollution."

**BigRichard** · 06-26-2014, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Dude.....your ass bruise is gross.

Lol. I hadn't posted anything on there in a while but I saw that when I was posting this. That was from a nasty spill down some very steep steps. Had that along with some cracked ribs and my f'd up ankle. That happened on my first day of vacation back about 5 years ago. The rest of the vacation was quite the hoot.

Eleazar · 06-26-2014, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRichard

Cleveland Indians dilemma solved!

So you like BBWs, apparently?

R8RFAN · 06-26-2014, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JakeLV

Right... it other people's fault this woman is trying to force the changing of names of the teams.

Logic, as she said sir, is lacking

The people behind this PC correct shit are the Libs, Harry Reid is a Lib and the leader of the Libs and who was the one who brought the Redskins thing to vote... Say what you want but you can bet your ass this would not be an issue right now if the other guy got elected.

Again.. Elections have consequences ... You voted for the shit, deal with the new team name you get.

Hammock Parties · 06-26-2014, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bwana

Dear lady go find a hobby and **** off.

This is what it boils down to.

These people have nothing better to do.

This doesn't advance society...doesn't really help people.

It's just a bunch of bullshit to get them attention and help a small group of idiots feel like they accomplished something or feel better about themselves.

It's entirely ego driven.

****ing waste of time and money and my ****ing posts.

Red Dawg · 06-26-2014, 04:39 PM

not

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Originally Posted by BWillie

Ok ok hold on, I get the Redskins thing. Thats fine. But Chiefs, Indians, etc....that is too far. Its not degrading any race of ppl whatsoever. If you cant handle that get some thicker skin. What is next? The irish complaining about the Notre Dame fighting Irish, and the Celtics? Come on.

Not to mention that they have changed nothing. The Redskins are still unchanged. Chiefs is not derogatory at all and they had better go after the Indians, Braves and that crappy hockey team before us.

06-25-2014, 11:01 PM
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $2599627 VARSITY	Woman behind the Redskins name change says the Chiefs should be on guard The fight took a monumental shift at a protest nine years at Arrowhead Stadium and it’s about to come full circle. No matter what you think of the issue, it will soon be ubiquitous in and around Kansas City’s greatest obsession other than barbecue. The Chiefs are aware of it, and are preparing accordingly. Back in 2005, a group calling itself Not In Our Honor protested before the Chiefs played Washington. The protesters were predominately American Indians, united in their anger over what they perceived as offensive stereotypes passed off as nicknames for sports teams. An older woman, Suzan Harjo, one of the leaders of the protest, met a younger woman named Amanda Blackhorse, then a student at Kansas. They bonded over their passion for the issue, and that’s how the case known as Blackhorse et al v. Pro-Football Inc. came to be. Last week the plaintiffs prevailed when the United States Patent and Trademark Office canceled the trademarks of the Washington Redskins. The case is under appeal, but you should know that the woman who took on and (at least for the moment) defeated the corporate entity that owns Washington’s NFL team would like to see the same type of case brought against the Chiefs. As she says, the spark that started back in 2005 at Arrowhead has created a fire that will probably soon return. “What happens there, it’s just insane the things they allow to go on,” Blackhorse says of the Chiefs and Arrowhead. “They are definitely in the group (of offensive teams), for sure.” For now, the Chiefs are publicly silent on this. But they know the fight is likely coming, and they hope a few things work in their favor — most notably that it’s tough to compare their nickname with the one in Washington that is a dictionary-defined racial slur. Blackhorse’s group has also protested baseball’s Cleveland Indians, and that team has greatly scaled back its use of the cartoonish Chief Wahoo logo. The Chiefs have similarly scaled back some of their more obvious plays on Indian stereotypes, and they hope they have some other advantages when the fight comes. The team is named after H. Roe Bartle, the mayor who was key in Kansas City landing the team from Dallas in 1962. Bartle’s nickname was “The Chief.” The team stopped using a man dressed in traditional headgear as a mascot during pregame festivities many years ago. In the early 1990s, many of the Chiefs’ defensive players posed for a poster that today both looks absolutely ridiculous and would never be recreated. The team does, however, play the tomahawk chop during games and welcomes fans in headgear and other stereotypes of Native American dress. Those are some of the parts of the game day experience that Blackhorse calls “insane,” and why she expects a fight that’s gaining momentum and support nationally to come to Kansas City. She knows that the vast majority of Chiefs fans will oppose her, but she also knows that the vast majority of fans in Washington opposed her, as well. She says there is “no middle ground with this issue,” that once an ethnic group is used as a nickname for a sports team, the people in that ethic group lose control of their identity and humanity. “I don’t want people to think I’m going around pointing fingers, like, ‘You’re a racist, you’re a racist, you’re a racist,’ ” she says. “That’s not the point. The point is we’re offended. You can love Native Americans to death. You can have admiration, love what we do, how we are, whatever, and still (hijack) our culture without understanding it that way.” Wherever you stand on this issue, there is no denying that Blackhorse’s side is making progress. Teams are sensitive to and aware of perpetuating stereotypes so much more than in the past, in response to public sentiment. The issue is further complicated by context, that this is a fight centered around Indians, who make up about 1 percent of the nation’s population and who, in Blackhorse’s words, “are invisible sometimes to people.” That makes getting the message out a bit more difficult. A group of people that feels offended by widespread stereotyping isn’t big enough to get critical mass on its own. That’s why Blackhorse says the movement needs the help of non-Indians, and part of why she’s so encouraged by developments in Congress and with the trademark case. There is a lot of momentum here, which can be dangerous for teams like the Chiefs that will likely soon find themselves directly in the fight. “I’m not sure there’s anything the (Chiefs) can do at this point other than look for another name,” Blackhorse says. “They could be the team that says, ‘You know what? We understand the issue and we don’t want to be Dan Snyder and fight this in court forever. We want to do the right thing and move forward and avoid this entire battle.’ I’m sure fans will be upset, but still, that’s doing the right thing. “If they want to be sensitive to Native American people, that’s the thing to do.” Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt...#storylink=cpy Early 90's
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