Andy Reid shuts down your Chiefs QB controversy talk

[oaklandhater]

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2016/1...ntroversy-talk

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by Joel Thorman Oct 31, 2016, 2:44p

You know Andy Reid was going to stand by Alex Smith and that’s what he did on Monday when facing the press. Reid has been doing this for a loooong time so he let reporters have their fun for a few minutes and then he shut down any talk of Nick Foles playing in front of a healthy Alex Smith. Will it work? I guess it depends on how well Foles plays this weekend ... if he plays this weekend since the Chiefs doctors contend Alex actually doesn’t have a concussion.

Check out this exchange between Reid and reporters this afternoon.

Q: You were asked whether you had to cut back the game plan when Foles came in and you said no. Did he allow you to expand the game plan, maybe do some things that you couldn’t do with Smith?

Reid: No. Alex, I’m not sure we realize how good he is. We’ve opened this thing up further than maybe we’ve ever opened it up. He does a tremendous job. It’s a shame he didn’t have a chance to finish off the game plan because he would’ve had a ton of success with it. Not to take anything away from Nick. We didn’t have to cut a thing out for Nick coming in. That was a win-win for both guys. To think one would’ve done better than the other, I don’t believe that. If Alex would’ve been in, we would’ve done the same thing.

Q: You guys his four passes of 30 yards down the field. That’s unusual for you guys. Was that because the way the game was going or because of who was at quarterback?

Reid: I think it was part of the plan. That was all in the game plan. They would’ve been called. They were right on the first 15. They were coming up so whether it was Alex in there or Nick they were coming up. A couple of them formation wise, there was a little confusion on the formation and guys popped open.

Q: Does Foles give you more capability in that area?

Reid: No, I’m not even sure I like the way you’re going with this. Alex can do all the things that need to be done in this offense and do them at a Pro Bowl-caliber level.

Q: Is he your quarterback when he’s healthy then?

/death stare

[-King-]

Originally Posted by Mother****erJones

Foles had like 4 passes over 20 yards.

Yeah it's fault for not being specific. I don't count broken coverage plays as being shots. It's literally pitch and catch. The throw to Kelce Foles made was a shot. Smith's throw to Hill last week was a shot. A throw to a player who was left uncovered or who's defender fell aren't shots to me.
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[ARROW2]

Originally Posted by -King-

Yeah it's fault for not being specific. I don't count broken coverage plays as being shots. It's literally pitch and catch. The throw to Kelce Foles made was a shot. Smith's throw to Hill last week was a shot. A throw to a player who was left uncovered or who's defender fell aren't shots to me.
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Smiff routinely misses those kind of opportunities because he is too busy running into pressure or checking down.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by ARROW2

Smiff routinely misses those kind of opportunities because he is too busy running into pressure or checking down.

Can you and others at least admit that a QB2 that comes in can look real good, but after a while of getting pressured and taking abuse, he will begin to show some horrible breakdown in bravado.. leading to poor fundamentals, turnovers, and general confidence?

Sure. It could be that Foles plays multiple games hot, and stays hot. It's just as likely that he starts to feel the pressure that comes with being QB1. That his gunslinger hot-shit mindset begins to crumble and cost the Chiefs this AFCW race.

When you have a QB1 in place with the win % that Smith has. When you know that he is typically a large part of the equation that's been leading to the KC success it's had since they were 2-14.. it should be easy to see why (assuming he does) Andy stays with his QB.

Does that seem fair and reasonable?

Again, I want it to be Smith as QB1.. but if it isn't, and Foles comes in to dominate the remainder of games.. then fine. Andy's done great things so far for KC, and he's earned my trust so far. I'd guess Smith has earned Andy's trust, and then some, too.

So maybe just sit back and try to enjoy the wins.. regardess of who is out there. All of this repetitive bitching isn't going to help you. So if you are that disgruntled, do like some of these guys do.. put on your false shield of apathy.. stop watching even.. or just go with the flow.

[ARROW2]

We ain't beating the likes of NE in the playoffs playing scared. He is like the Marty of QBs. Can get you there by playing it safe but not bold enough to take what the **** you want when it counts. If we win with Smiff, great, I will be first in the crow line. But don't cry on our shoulders when we get bounced............AGAIN. Foles is not Brady Quinn or Tyler Palko.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by -King-

Yes, on the Conley play the cornerback fell down, and on the other hill play, he was literally not being covered. Literally any qb including Cassel hits both those passes. Or are you saying Smith couldn't have done that. Hell the Conley pass wasn't even good. A good pass and Conley has a chance at a TD.

These are nothing like the Maclin TD pass this week or the Hill TD pass last week.

This isn't some Foles thing. We've seen the last 3 weeks an increased emphasis on deeper passes.
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I think the difference is Foles looks and wants to throw down field more. Not sure ASS hasn't already checked down or ran before the CB falls.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

Can you and others at least admit that a QB2 that comes in can look real good, but after a while of getting pressured and taking abuse, he will begin to show some horrible breakdown in bravado.. leading to poor fundamentals, turnovers, and general confidence?

Of course I can admit that. It happens all the time.

Can YOU in turn admit that your boo is like an abused dog, that runs to it's dog house with it's tail between it's legs to hide from opportunities of "risky" plays?

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by Dagnabit

Of course I can admit that. It happens all the time.

Can YOU in turn admit that your boo is like an abused dog, that runs to it's dog house with it's tail between it's legs to hide from opportunities of "risky" plays?

sometimes, yes.. yes, he does. I can't always tell if it turns out the right or wrong move. There are times where he sees first read open and won't bother to wait for anything else to develop. Does that work for Andy? it would seem so. Been doing it for years now, and often. If it were a problem in Andy's eyes.. would he keep Smith as QB1?

[New World Order]

[Sandy Vagina]

That link takes you to the AY/A (Adjusted Yards per Attempt) of every QB who threw at least 500 passes (which is roughly one full season) since 2014. Smith's phenomenal 2012 campaign is not in there. Neither is Foles' or Flacco's 2013 campaign. Or Kaepernick's amazing start to his career. Each of our sample QB's best campaign is excluded.

This is simply the last 2.5 years of football from them and every other major QB in the league.

Smith ranks 13th out of 33. Better than Newton, Rivers, Stafford, Luck, and both Mannings.
Kaepernick ranks 27th out of 33.
Flacco ranks 29th out of 33.
Nick Foles ranks 33rd out of 33.

Do not let one deep game mean anything to you. Get those certified Baseball Vision Goggles on and look at the football past this past Sunday. Deep throwing isn't what you build an offense around. It just has to be a part of your offense. Maybe 15 percent of it is nice. But even if you get there naturally via progression of a scheme, you expect it to fail more often than it succeeds. That's the nature of throwing deep. You also expect more picks and less completions. And a QB who relies on it at all costs, rather than being judicious and working within the scheme, is bound to throw even more incompletions and interceptions on a long enough time-line.

That timeline might not be one game. It might not even be two, or 16. But it will come. And you're stuck with your QB for more than one season, and stuck perhaps having to rebuild your whole team if the QB regresses.

what if we go back to our previous list of QB rankings based on AY/A and expand it back a few seasons? We'll keep the threshold at 500 attempts, so that we still get any QB with at least one full season of attempts, but we will expand the query to include 2012. Now we get Smith's best year, and Kaepernick's best year, and Flacco's best year, and Foles' best year. Here's that table, which covers the last 4.5 years of football.

Alex Smith is ranked 14th.
Colin Kaepernick is ranked 16th.
Nick Foles, 19th.
Joe Flacco, 34th.
Matt Cassel, 50th. Out of 50. For perspective.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2016/1...and-the-qb-non

[ChiefsLV]

I still haven't gotten over the two missed TD passes from Smith to Kelce in the playoff game against NE last year. He seems to miss high a lot.

[Hammock Parties]

4 completions over 15 yards in three weeks and suddenly we have a "deep attack"





That's cute and all but it's total bullshit.

And any YPA or AYPA statistic is going to skew in Alex's favor because he favors short completions at a high rate. That's why his "league leading" YPA in 2012 was total bullshit. It wasn't indicative of anything but a high completion percentage. He CERTAINLY wasn't throwing the ball down the field that year.

YPC? 27th.

GTFO

[Beef Supreme]

Originally Posted by ChiefsLV

I still haven't gotten over the two missed TD passes from Smith to Kelce in the playoff game against NE last year. He seems to miss high a lot.

He throws high so the defender has no chance at it. Of course, neither does our receiver, but interception avoided!!

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Originally Posted by ASS11

4 completions over 15 yards in three weeks and suddenly we have a "deep attack"





That's cute and all but it's total bullshit.

And any YPA or AYPA statistic is going to skew in Alex's favor because he favors short completions at a high rate. That's why his "league leading" YPA in 2012 was total bullshit. It wasn't indicative of anything but a high completion percentage. He CERTAINLY wasn't throwing the ball down the field that year.

YPC? 27th.

GTFO

Apparently this week we learned that Clay believes 1) he knows more than doctors and 2) has opinions that trump Deion Sanders'

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-gameda...ter-Chiefs-win

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Originally Posted by ARROW2

We ain't beating the likes of NE in the playoffs playing scared. He is like the Marty of QBs. Can get you there by playing it safe but not bold enough to take what the **** you want when it counts. If we win with Smiff, great, I will be first in the crow line. But don't cry on our shoulders when we get bounced............AGAIN. Foles is not Brady Quinn or Tyler Palko.

And in which playoff game has he played scared during his career?

[rico]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

Can you and others at least admit that a QB2 that comes in can look real good, but after a while of getting pressured and taking abuse, he will begin to show some horrible breakdown in bravado.. leading to poor fundamentals, turnovers, and general confidence?

Sure. It could be that Foles plays multiple games hot, and stays hot. It's just as likely that he starts to feel the pressure that comes with being QB1. That his gunslinger hot-shit mindset begins to crumble and cost the Chiefs this AFCW race.

When you have a QB1 in place with the win % that Smith has. When you know that he is typically a large part of the equation that's been leading to the KC success it's had since they were 2-14.. it should be easy to see why (assuming he does) Andy stays with his QB.

Does that seem fair and reasonable?

Again, I want it to be Smith as QB1.. but if it isn't, and Foles comes in to dominate the remainder of games.. then fine. Andy's done great things so far for KC, and he's earned my trust so far. I'd guess Smith has earned Andy's trust, and then some, too.

So maybe just sit back and try to enjoy the wins.. regardess of who is out there. All of this repetitive bitching isn't going to help you. So if you are that disgruntled, do like some of these guys do.. put on your false shield of apathy.. stop watching even.. or just go with the flow.

False shield of apathy? Nah...