Chiefs We have a new GM and his name is Brett Veach - Page 20

okiedokieokoye · 07-10-2017, 02:36 PM

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From @TomPelissero and me: The #Chiefs are finalizing a deal for Brett Veach to be their new GM.

**DaneMcCloud** · 07-12-2017, 10:32 PM

Cochise is a butt****ing moron.

Ka'do's.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 07-13-2017, 01:03 AM

Boy, that Clark sure is aces at firing. Perhaps one day, his hiring talent will catch up!

Idiots.

Eleazar · 07-13-2017, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

Boy, that Clark sure is aces at firing. Perhaps one day, his hiring talent will catch up!

Idiots.

He was the only person in the Hunt family, and probably the entire world, that wanted Scott Pioli to stay. That should tell us something.

Coochie liquor · 07-13-2017, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

At least this new guy won't need a person to pick up the poop and hay from his office, like Dungvers GM needs. Standards must be kept!

Qft

**DaneMcCloud** · 07-13-2017, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

He was the only person in the Hunt family, and probably the entire world, that wanted Scott Pioli to stay. That should tell us something.

It should tell you that Clark knows his shit.

Pioli went to 3 Super Bowls in New England and was the Executive of the Year several times, hired and fired by the Chiefs, only to go to the Super Bowl with the Falcons after running their draft for two seasons.

Pioli may have been a disaster in terms of hiring a coaching staff and running a front office but he definitely knows player personnel.

DaWolf · 07-13-2017, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaepernick

Too bad you lost Chris Ballard to the Colts. He seemed top notch.

One has to wonder at this point how much Hunt wanted Ballard. I keep reading that Ballard was the glue and once he left the Dorsey situation fell apart, but if that's the case why wouldn't Clark have just gotten rid of Dorsey and given the job to Ballard in the first place?

No idea how Veach will do. One thing Clark has been consistent on is hiring a strong evaluator to run a managerial job. Neither Pioli or Dorsey were exceptional communicators. Anecdotally, it sounds like Veach at least has that going for him. Whether that leads to a better management style for such a young guy remains to be seen. He learned under Reid so I would expect a very organized and detailed style...

Sweet Daddy Hate · 07-13-2017, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

It should tell you that Clark knows his shit.

Pioli went to 3 Super Bowls in New England and was the Executive of the Year several times, hired and fired by the Chiefs, only to go to the Super Bowl with the Falcons after running their draft for two seasons.

Pioli may have been a disaster in terms of hiring a coaching staff and running a front office but he definitely knows player personnel.

Peeholi doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. John Baldwin? Tyson ****ing Jackson?

Oh yeah, he was a ****ing genius!

Anyone not completely incompetent could make the Berry and Houston picks. There is NO special skill or talent on his part with those picks.

None.

At.

All.

That his buddy Dimitrioff in Atalanta gave him a glorified pencil-pushing gig after being such a COLOSSAL **** up in KC means absolutely nothing.
And that you would revise history and use this absolute ****ing clown to prop up Clark Hunt, just goes to show how mind-bendingly far you've fallen down the rabbit hole to complete ****ing insanity.

**DaneMcCloud** · 07-13-2017, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

Peeholi doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. John Baldwin? Tyson ****ing Jackson?

Oh yeah, he was a ****ing genius!

Anyone not completely incompetent could make the Berry and Houston picks. There is NO special skill or talent on his part with those picks.

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

That his buddy Dimitrioff in Atalanta gave him a glorified pencil-pushing gig after being such a COLOSSAL **** up in KC means absolutely nothing.
And that you would revise history and use this absolute ****ing clown to prop up Clark Hunt, just goes to show how mind-bendingly far you've fallen down the rabbit hole to complete ****ing insanity.

Hey Dumb****, Pioli has run the drafts the past two seasons in Atlanta. He's drafted some damn good players, all of whom helped them reach the Super Bowl after the 2016 season.

He knows personnel.

And you're nothing than a moronic blowhard that knows absolutely nothing about the NFL.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 07-13-2017, 04:33 PM

Sure............

Uh huh.

DaWolf · 07-13-2017, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

Peeholi doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. John Baldwin? Tyson ****ing Jackson?

Oh yeah, he was a ****ing genius!

Anyone not completely incompetent could make the Berry and Houston picks. There is NO special skill or talent on his part with those picks.

None.

At.

All.

That his buddy Dimitrioff in Atalanta gave him a glorified pencil-pushing gig after being such a COLOSSAL **** up in KC means absolutely nothing.
And that you would revise history and use this absolute ****ing clown to prop up Clark Hunt, just goes to show how mind-bendingly far you've fallen down the rabbit hole to complete ****ing insanity.

It's a combination of things with some guys. I believe Pioli is one of those Peter Principle guys who does OK if he stays in his lane, but was given way too much power here. Letting him hire the coaches and have final say on the roster and coaching staff were not wise. Sticking him in a room and telling him to watch film on guys that the coaches actually want and will fit their scheme would have been wiser. He should never be the face of a franchise. That's why I think Hunt made sure the second time around to make sure the football coach reported directly to him and had had final say on his staff. The whole Pioli hiring coordinators for Haley thing was a joke.

But Pioli is likely only good at evaluating certain positions as well. You listed some of his failures, but his biggest one no doubt was having no clue what to do at the QB position. I think he saw Tom Brady and felt that if you take any hard working QB, he could turn him into an all pro. Instead we got the Cassel's and Stanzi's of the world. Certainly having Matty Ice being coached by Shanarat Jr makes the Falcons a much better situation to be in, and that kudos goes to Dimitrioff. But Pioli is probably in his lane over there helping to fill out the roster as a subordinate...

Sweet Daddy Hate · 07-13-2017, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf

It's a combination of things with some guys. I believe Pioli is one of those Peter Principle guys who does OK if he stays in his lane, but was given way too much power here. Letting him hire the coaches and have final say on the roster and coaching staff were not wise. Sticking him in a room and telling him to watch film on guys that the coaches actually want and will fit their scheme would have been wiser. He should never be the face of a franchise. That's why I think Hunt made sure the second time around to make sure the football coach reported directly to him and had had final say on his staff. The whole Pioli hiring coordinators for Haley thing was a joke.

But Pioli is likely only good at evaluating certain positions as well. You listed some of his failures, but his biggest one no doubt was having no clue what to do at the QB position. I think he saw Tom Brady and felt that if you take any hard working QB, he could turn him into an all pro. Instead we got the Cassel's and Stanzi's of the world. Certainly having Matty Ice being coached by Shanarat Jr makes the Falcons a much better situation to be in, and that kudos goes to Dimitrioff. But Pioli is probably in his lane over there helping to fill out the roster as a subordinate...

I agree with every word of this.

**DaneMcCloud** · 07-13-2017, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf

But Pioli is likely only good at evaluating certain positions as well. You listed some of his failures, but his biggest one no doubt was having no clue what to do at the QB position.

This is really not true. Nearly every GM, unless they're picking in the Top 5 (and even then, it's often screwed up), has difficulty identifying college kids that can become Franchise QB's.

Furthermore, just take a look at the Falcons past two drafts under Pioli. There's a lot of Super Bowl contributors.

2015:
#8: Vic Beasley, DE, Clemson
#42: Jalen Collins, CB, LSU
#73: Tevin Coleman, RB, Indiana
#107: Justin Hardy, WR, ECU
#137: Grady Jarrett, DT, Clemson
#225: Jake Rodgers, OL, Eastern Washington

2016:
SS Keanu Neal, Florida
OLB Deion Jones, LSU
TE Austin Hooper, Stanford
OLB De'Vondre Campbell, Minnesota
OL Wes Schweitzer, San Jose St.
WR/KR Devin Fuller, UCLA

While I agree that he wasn't a "Good GM", he's a damn fine personnel man.

RunKC · 07-14-2017, 08:36 AM

In the video that we drafted Mahomes, they cut to the war room and the first guy John Dorsey shakes hands with is Brett Veach. Then the awkward Clark Hunt hand shake to fist bump.

Isn't that some shit? Talk about foreshadowing.

raybec 4 · 07-14-2017, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

In the video that we drafted Mahomes, they cut to the war room and the first guy John Dorsey shakes hands with is Brett Veach. Then the awkward Clark Hunt hand shake to fist bump.

Isn't that some shit? Talk about foreshadowing.

That's prescience.

Red Dawg · 07-14-2017, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

He was the only person in the Hunt family, and probably the entire world, that wanted Scott Pioli to stay. That should tell us something.

Wanted Pioli to stay? What the hell are you talking about?

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