**** OFFICIAL 2013-2014 Kansas Basketball Repository Thread, Part 2 ****

[ArrowheadHawk]

#10 (23-8,14-4)

Players

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Returning Players
1 Naadir Tharpe Guard 5-11 170 Jr.
3 Andrew White III Guard 6-6 210 So.
4 Justin Wesley Forward 6-9 220 RS Sr.
10 Evan Manning Guard 6-3 170 So.
11 Tyler Self Guard 6-2 165 So.
20 Niko Roberts Guard 5-11 175 Sr.
21 Christian Garrett Guard 6-3 185 Jr.
31 Jamari Traylor Forward 6-8 220 RS So.
33 Landen Lucas Forward 6-10 240 RS Fr.
34 Perry Ellis Forward 6-8 225 So.

Incoming Class
SF ***** Wayne Selden
C ***** Joel Embiid
PG **** Conner Frankamp
SF **** Brannen Greene
PG **** Frank Mason
SF ***** Andrew Wiggins

Transfers
Hunter Mickelson
Tarik Black

Non Conference

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11/8/2013 Louisiana Monroe Lawrence, Kan. W(80-63) (1-0)
11/12/2013 Duke Chicago, Ill. W(94-83) (2-0)
11/19/2013 Iona Lawrence, Kan. W(86-66) (3-0)
11/22/2013 Towson W(88-58) (4-0)
11/28/2013 Wake Forest Paradise Island, Bahamas W(87-78) (5-0)
11/29/2013 Villanova Paradise Island, Bahamas L(59-63) (5-1)
11/30/2013 UTEP Paradise Island, Bahamas W(67-63) (6-1)
12/7/2013 Colorado Boulder, Colo. L(72-75) (6-2)
12/10/2013 Florida Gainesville, Fla. L(61-67) (6-3)
12/14/2013 New Mexico Kansas City, Mo. W(80-63)(7-3)
12/21/2013 Georgetown Lawrence, Kan. W(86-64)(8-3)
12/30/2013 Toledo Lawrence, Kan. W(93-83)(9-3)
1/5/2014 San Diego State Lawrence, Kan. L(57-61)(9-4)

Conference

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1/8/2014 Oklahoma Norman, Okla. W(90-83)(10-4,1-0)
1/11/2014 Kansas State Lawrence, Kan. W(86-60)(11-4,2-0)
1/13/2014 Iowa State Ames, Iowa W(77-70)(12-4,3-0)
1/18/2014 Oklahoma State Lawrence, Kan. W(80-78)(13-4,4-0)
1/20/2014 Baylor Lawrence, Kan. W(78-68)(14-4,5-0)
1/25/2014 TCU Fort Worth, Texas W(91-69)(15-4,6-0)
1/29/2014 Iowa State Lawrence, Kan. W(92-81)(16-4,7-0)
2/1/2014 Texas Austin, Texas L(69-81)(16-5,7-1)
2/4/2014 Baylor Waco, Texas W(69-52)(17-5,8-1)
2/8/2014 West Virginia Lawrence, Kan. W(83-69)(18-5,9-1)
2/10/2014 Kansas State Manhattan, Kan. L(82-85)(18-6,9-2)
2/15/2014 TCU Lawrence, Kan. W(95-65)(19-6,10-2)
2/18/2014 Texas Tech Lubbock, Texas W(64-63)(20-6,11-2)
2/22/2014 Texas Lawrence, Kan. W(85-54)(21-6,12-2)
2/24/2014 Oklahoma Lawrence, Kan. W(83-75)(22-6,13-2)
3/1/2014 Oklahoma State Stillwater, Okla. L(65-72)(22-7,13-3)
3/5/2014 Texas Tech Lawrence, Kan. W(82-57)(23-7,14-3)
3/8/2014 West Virginia Morgantown, W. Va. L(86-92)(23-8,14-4)

Big 12 Championship
3/13/2014 Texas Tech/Oklahoma State Kansas City, Mo. 2PM ESPN2

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Mr_Douchebag

Any updates on Jo....?

My gut says he is out the remainder of the season...

Don't see any reason he would jeopardize his career for a few college basketball games, but you never know. I certainly wouldn't be expecting him to return, though.

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Don't see any reason he would jeopardize his career for a few college basketball games, but you never know. I certainly wouldn't be expecting him to return, though.

Do you think he's going to declare for the NBA draft? I had heard that he made some comments that sounded like he might stay one more year.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

Do you think he's going to declare for the NBA draft? I had heard that he made some comments that sounded like he might stay one more year.

Of course he will. A decision like Smart's from last year is a rarity, it isn't the norm for top pro prospects.

[Silock]

I think he comes back for the Sweet Sixteen. You can see how much he wants to play.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I remember how much Cincinnati got punished on the line when Kenyon Martin broke his leg. With your resume, and without Embiid, Kansas should probably be a #4 seed, although it wouldn't surprise me if you ended up with a high 3.

[Silock]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I remember how much Cincinnati got punished on the line when Kenyon Martin broke his leg. With your resume, and without Embiid, Kansas should probably be a #4 seed, although it wouldn't surprise me if you ended up with a high 3.

4 seed? LOL Name the 12 teams with a better resume. And Embiid can still come back; he's not out for sure.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I remember how much Cincinnati got punished on the line when Kenyon Martin broke his leg. With your resume, and without Embiid, Kansas should probably be a #4 seed, although it wouldn't surprise me if you ended up with a high 3.

Don't be ridiculous. I'm as big a proponent of Embiid as anybody (and I don't think KU can realistically beat the Floridas/Arizonas of the world without him), but the lack of him doesn't drop a team with KU's resume and talent two seed lines. You're overestimating the rest of the teams in the NCAA if you think so.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Don't be ridiculous. I'm as big a proponent of Embiid as anybody (and I don't think KU can realistically beat the Floridas/Arizonas of the world without him), but the lack of him doesn't drop a team with KU's resume and talent two seed lines. You're overestimating the rest of the teams in the NCAA if you think so.

Your SOS is outstanding. You followed the Izzo model of scheduling, but nine losses is a shitload to get placed on the #2 line, especially without your second best player.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Better resumes and not suffering from a massive loss:

Arizona, Florida, Duke, Villanova, Wichita St., Michigan, Wisconsin, and if they win their conference tournies, Creighton and Virginia.

It's not about where the teams are at full strength, nor is it solely about the body of work. The committee looks heavily at the last third of the season and if there are any notable injuries.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Your SOS is outstanding. You followed the Izzo model of scheduling, but nine losses is a shitload to get placed on the #2 line, especially without your second best player.

That's a completely simplistic (and knowing you, pretty disingenuous) way to look at it. You're basically saying KU would have been better off with a weaker schedule like everybody else and finishing with 4 or 5 losses.

In the end, it's going to come down to the quality of the team and that doesn't change no matter how many games you lose against good teams.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

So basically you're saying it would be better if KU played a weaker schedule and only lost 4 or 5 games? Where's the incentive to schedule tough then?

In the end, it's going to come down to the quality of the team and that doesn't change no matter how many games you lose against good teams.

No, it does. When the other teams vying for the same spot have better winning %s against the RPI top 25, finished the season stronger, and aren't without their second most important player, they will likely get the nod.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Better resumes and not suffering from a massive loss:

Arizona, Florida, Duke, Villanova, Wichita St., Michigan, Wisconsin, and if they win their conference tournies, Creighton and Virginia.

It's not about where the teams are at full strength, nor is it solely about the body of work. The committee looks heavily at the last third of the season and if there are any notable injuries.

Except, factually, most of those teams don't have a better resume than KU. As I posted in the other thread, KU has the #3 RPI, #3 BPI, #4 Sagarin, and #6 KenPom this season. Their level of success against what was by far the toughest schedule in the country is something that will be rewarded, not diminished (as the committee has done in the past).

The only teams who I can say definitively do are Arizona and Florida (Wichita St. hasn't beaten or even played anybody good all season).

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

No, it does. When the other teams vying for the same spot have better winning %s against the RPI top 25, finished the season stronger, and aren't without their second most important player, they will likely get the nod.

I wouldn't be using RPI to advance your point. KU is #3 in that. That particular measure is exactly what's going to keep KU as a #2 seed on Sunday (as the committee uses it like a crutch to seed teams).

[KC_Connection]

All of this isn't to say that KU is even a top 8 team without Embiid. I personally don't think they are (though there hasn't been anywhere near the kind of sample size needed for me or the committee to say for sure on that matter). And arguments about seeding are quite unnecessary anyway because of what a crapshoot the tournament is. Whether they're a 2 or 3, KU's chances won't be significantly affected either way.

But when you win the best conference in the country by multiple games and perform as well as KU did against the toughest NCAA schedule in recent college basketball history (at least top 6 in all of the main statistical criteria), it's verging on trolling to suggest this team's overall resume isn't good enough to make them a 2 seed. Heck, there is still a one seed available that KU was projected at by some as recently as yesterday. Does another loss against a very good team really change all that much? I would be very surprised if a team with the track record and talent of KU was dropped any further than 2 on Sunday.

[HolyHandgernade]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

Do you think he's going to declare for the NBA draft? I had heard that he made some comments that sounded like he might stay one more year.

The only reason Embiid comes back is because he's not culturally comfortable enough in America. Embiid doesn't have a large American support base he can trust to advise him. He can't even drive a car and is nervous about trying to. The prospect of basically having to be responsible for himself to get to practice, go on the road, not be able to go some places the rest of his team does because he's not old enough or because they have family obligations is a bit of an isolating thought to him right now. He likes the college environment and the safety net if provides.

That said, it still might not be enough for him to stick around. He's a consensus Top 3 pick. I would be very surprised if he stays, but if he does, that's the reason why.

I think he does come back and play this year if we advance past the first weekend. His dad seems optimistic about it as does Embiid. He loves playing for this team. Lots of players play through this injury not even knowing they have it. He can't make it worse, its just a matter of relieving the pain. I don't think he shuts it down just to protect his draft status. If it doesn't heal, that's another thing, but if the doctors give him the OK, he's going to play if we're still alive.