Chiefs How old was Rich Ganon before he was a franchise QB? - Page 21

SenselessChiefsFan · 10-12-2010, 08:24 PM

I keep reading how Cassel is 28 and he is in his sixth season and if he hasn't gotten it by now, he never will. Perhaps we should look at someone who had very similar numbers through his first six seasons.

Rich Gannon was drafted in 1987 by the Pats to be a defensive back. When he bristled at the idea, he was traded to Minnesota. In 1990, Gannon started 12 games. The Vikings had a 11-5 record, and the coaches went with Sean Salisbury. He played a lot over the years 1990-1992. He played in at least 12 games in each of those years, and never had more than 2278 yards. his passer rating was never more than 81.5. in 1990, he had 16 td's and 16 Int's. In 1991, he had 12 td's and 6 int's. in 1992, he had 12 Td's and 13 Int's. 1992 was his sixth season.

In 1993, he was picked up by the Redskins. He had three td's and seven interceptions. He played in only seven games. This was his seventh season.

His eighth season didn't come until 1995 because he was out of football in 1994. He had rotator cuff surgery in 1993, but no one was knocking down his door to get him under contract.

In 1995, Gannon worked out for the Chiefs and signed with the team as the BACKUP to Bono. He was a team player. A guy that would be the backup and not complain. A hard worker. The kind of player that coaches like.

He saw action in four games in 1996. He finally started to 'get it'. This was his 9th season. But, the Chiefs didn't have any faith in him and still went out and got Grbac. I believe Gannon signed a two year extension in 1996 because no one wanted him to be a starter.

Over the course of 1997 and 1998, he started a total of 16 games and played in a total of 21. His passer rating was about 80 over those two years. He threw for 3349 yards in those two seasons combined.

This was years 10 and 11.

The Raiders rewarded Gannon's mediocre numbers over his 11 seasons in the league with an opportunity to win the starting job.

We all know how it turned out.

This is a folk hero around these parts.... and yet, through his first 10 seasons, he was not an extremely accurate passer. He didn't throw downfield very well. He struggled to read defenses. And he was athletic.

Oh, AND he took a ton of sacks. He was sacked 302 times in 4206 pass attempts.

Heck, he wasn't even drafted to be a QB.

Through his first six seasons, Gannon had thrown 1003 passes. He had completed 561 passes. He completed 55.9% of his passes. He had 40 TD's and 36 Int's. He averaged 6.4 yards per attempt. He averaged 11.5 yards per completion. He had 81 sacks, or at about 8 percent of his pass attempts.

Through Cassel's first six seasons, he has thrown 1154 passes. He has completed 678 of them. He is completing 58.7% of his passes. He has 43 TD's. He has 32 Int's. He has averaged 6.5 yards per attempt. He has averaged 11.09 yards per completion. He has 96 sacks, which is about 8% of his pass attempts.

Will Cassel be Gannon? Probably not. But, Gannon wasn't Gannon until his 12th season in the league.... or twice as long as Cassel has been in the league...... That is when Gannon really got it and became a pro bowl QB.

Sully · 11-14-2010, 04:44 PM

HIS ARROW IS POINTING UP!!!

58-4ever · 11-14-2010, 04:51 PM

When will he ever have a feel for the game? He looks full reerun out there? Hopefully soon.

memyselfI · 11-14-2010, 04:53 PM

He is closer to Grbackup than Gannon. Sorry to say.

Sully · 11-14-2010, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 58-4ever

When will he ever have a feel for the game? He looks full reerun out there? Hopefully soon.

He just needs better linemen, WRs, and a few more years to let his arrow continue to point up.
Then he may be average!

**grandllama** · 11-14-2010, 04:57 PM

58-4ever · 11-14-2010, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Sully

He just needs better linemen, WRs, and a few more years to let his arrow continue to point up.
Then he may be average!

Whiskey may kill me by then.

Great Expectations · 11-14-2010, 05:02 PM

Grbac > cassel

Extra Point · 11-14-2010, 06:08 PM

How many TO's did Gannon call to run a goal line QB sneak? How many of each was successful, over their careers?

**Rausch** · 11-14-2010, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

I keep reading how Cassel is 28 and he is in his sixth season and if he hasn't gotten it by now, he never will. Perhaps we should look at someone who had very similar numbers through his first six seasons.

"Oh no, I'm going to have fun with you..."

Sully · 09-30-2012, 02:58 PM

This is not a "throw it in your face" bump.

But after sitting behind "true fans" (guy in Cassel jersey, guy who satands up and turns toward the crowd behind him, waving his arms and yelling for people to "get loud" EVERY defensive play, and guy to drunk to stay awake/not knock over people around him) who made the game even a worse experience today, I wonder if there are still CP posters... Any at all... Who are still "waiting and seeing" with Cassel. Do these people exist anymore? I know they do at Arrowhead, but this is a bit different community.

tredadda · 09-30-2012, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sully

This is not a "throw it in your face" bump.

But after sitting behind "true fans" (guy in Cassel jersey, guy who satands up and turns toward the crowd behind him, waving his arms and yelling for people to "get loud" EVERY defensive play, and guy to drunk to stay awake/not knock over people around him) who made the game even a worse experience today, I wonder if there are still CP posters... Any at all... Who are still "waiting and seeing" with Cassel. Do these people exist anymore? I know they do at Arrowhead, but this is a bit different community.

Pawnmower?

Sully · 09-30-2012, 03:01 PM

Yeah, he may be. But I'd like to hear it from him.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 09-30-2012, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda

Pawnmower?

patteeu · 10-01-2012, 06:12 AM

I think he's had plenty of time to prove himself. Time to move on.

htismaqe · 10-01-2012, 08:16 AM

Rich Gannon never was a franchise QB. His picture appears in the dictionary next to "system QB: see also, Jon Gruden".

10-12-2010, 08:24 PM
SenselessChiefsFan MVP Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $10005450	How old was Rich Ganon before he was a franchise QB? I keep reading how Cassel is 28 and he is in his sixth season and if he hasn't gotten it by now, he never will. Perhaps we should look at someone who had very similar numbers through his first six seasons. Rich Gannon was drafted in 1987 by the Pats to be a defensive back. When he bristled at the idea, he was traded to Minnesota. In 1990, Gannon started 12 games. The Vikings had a 11-5 record, and the coaches went with Sean Salisbury. He played a lot over the years 1990-1992. He played in at least 12 games in each of those years, and never had more than 2278 yards. his passer rating was never more than 81.5. in 1990, he had 16 td's and 16 Int's. In 1991, he had 12 td's and 6 int's. in 1992, he had 12 Td's and 13 Int's. 1992 was his sixth season. In 1993, he was picked up by the Redskins. He had three td's and seven interceptions. He played in only seven games. This was his seventh season. His eighth season didn't come until 1995 because he was out of football in 1994. He had rotator cuff surgery in 1993, but no one was knocking down his door to get him under contract. In 1995, Gannon worked out for the Chiefs and signed with the team as the BACKUP to Bono. He was a team player. A guy that would be the backup and not complain. A hard worker. The kind of player that coaches like. He saw action in four games in 1996. He finally started to 'get it'. This was his 9th season. But, the Chiefs didn't have any faith in him and still went out and got Grbac. I believe Gannon signed a two year extension in 1996 because no one wanted him to be a starter. Over the course of 1997 and 1998, he started a total of 16 games and played in a total of 21. His passer rating was about 80 over those two years. He threw for 3349 yards in those two seasons combined. This was years 10 and 11. The Raiders rewarded Gannon's mediocre numbers over his 11 seasons in the league with an opportunity to win the starting job. We all know how it turned out. This is a folk hero around these parts.... and yet, through his first 10 seasons, he was not an extremely accurate passer. He didn't throw downfield very well. He struggled to read defenses. And he was athletic. Oh, AND he took a ton of sacks. He was sacked 302 times in 4206 pass attempts. Heck, he wasn't even drafted to be a QB. Through his first six seasons, Gannon had thrown 1003 passes. He had completed 561 passes. He completed 55.9% of his passes. He had 40 TD's and 36 Int's. He averaged 6.4 yards per attempt. He averaged 11.5 yards per completion. He had 81 sacks, or at about 8 percent of his pass attempts. Through Cassel's first six seasons, he has thrown 1154 passes. He has completed 678 of them. He is completing 58.7% of his passes. He has 43 TD's. He has 32 Int's. He has averaged 6.5 yards per attempt. He has averaged 11.09 yards per completion. He has 96 sacks, which is about 8% of his pass attempts. Will Cassel be Gannon? Probably not. But, Gannon wasn't Gannon until his 12th season in the league.... or twice as long as Cassel has been in the league...... That is when Gannon really got it and became a pro bowl QB.
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09-30-2012, 02:58 PM	#310
Sully It Goes On Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Lees Summit Casino cash: $10026331	This is not a "throw it in your face" bump. But after sitting behind "true fans" (guy in Cassel jersey, guy who satands up and turns toward the crowd behind him, waving his arms and yelling for people to "get loud" EVERY defensive play, and guy to drunk to stay awake/not knock over people around him) who made the game even a worse experience today, I wonder if there are still CP posters... Any at all... Who are still "waiting and seeing" with Cassel. Do these people exist anymore? I know they do at Arrowhead, but this is a bit different community. __________________ "And I don't wish that girl any bad luck," he said, "but I hope she gets hit with a car." - Tommy Lasorda
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09-30-2012, 03:01 PM	#312
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10-01-2012, 06:12 AM	#314
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