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duncan_idaho · 08-15-2013, 08:13 AM

New thread, this time with more burst.

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

Deberg_1990 · 12-05-2013, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish

Moose is playing winter ball. Both he and Butler both need to show up to spring training in better condition. Both those guys looked doughy and slow all year long.

They need to get on Alex Gordon's routine.

If worst came to worst, we could move Alex back to 3B, but it would hurt to have to give up a gold glove in left. If Moose goes oh for the first three months of the season, it may force such a move.

Moose and Hos both need to have better April/Mays. If we would have went just .500 in May we probably would have been in the playoffs are right there at the end. If Moose has another entire season like last year, i think its time to look for another option at 3rd.

**Shogun** · 12-05-2013, 05:17 PM

I truly do believe that Irving Falu would have been a better option at 3b last year than Moose, I really do. That may be just, 'oh, a new guy who i've seen have decent at bats and defensively sound, cant be as bad as moose'...

BlackHelicopters · 12-05-2013, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefsfan987

They need to do something. We can't have him going into another season with no one to back him up. Perhaps we should trade a bullpen arm for a 3B prospect. I just keep seeing last year where if only we'd have had someone in our minors that Dayton believed in to bring up when frenchy/moose stunk it up we could have won a couple more games and maybe it would have been enough to make the playoffs. I don't want it to happen again where we don't have anyone to bring up and just have to ride out the suck.

Unless GMDM has something up his sleeve, we appear to ready to ride out the suck at 3B

**lewdog** · 12-05-2013, 05:22 PM

**** ALL YA ALL.............

MOOSE COMEBACK TIME BITCHES!

Deberg_1990 · 12-05-2013, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lewdog

**** ALL YA ALL.............

MOOSE COMEBACK TIME BITCHES!

Nobody wants him to fail. I think we would all like to see him become a 30+ HR guy.

BlackHelicopters · 12-05-2013, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Nobody wants him to fail. I think we would all like to see him become a 30+ HR guy.

I'd take 20+ HR

Deberg_1990 · 12-05-2013, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop

I'd take 20+ HR

heh, yea i should probably adjust that for Kauffman stadium expectations. 25+. I remember he hit a few long ones last year that would have been out in other parks.

Strongside · 12-05-2013, 05:29 PM

Moose's struggles feel a lot like Gordon's a few years ago. I think he has a solid year.

BlackHelicopters · 12-05-2013, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Strongside

Moose's struggles feel a lot like Gordon's a few years ago. I think he has a solid year.

From your mouth to Royals fans ears...

penbrook · 12-05-2013, 06:10 PM

The Royals and Angels might make good trade partners, with the Angels sending second baseman Howie Kendrick to Kansas City in return for young pitching, the Los Angeles Times' Mike DiGiovanna tweets.

penbrook · 12-05-2013, 06:15 PM

Don't know how reliable this guy is

Angels/Royals/Cubs have talked about deal involving Samardzija Howie Kendrick Hochevar & others Bubba Starling's name has been thrown around

**Shogun** · 12-05-2013, 06:35 PM

me gusta howie kendrick

Prison Bitch · 12-05-2013, 06:59 PM

I'd much rather have Kendrick than Carlos Beltran. We'd have to swallow 10M per but he'll be a massive upgrade whereas Beltran probably won't be. If Carlos comes and kicks Butler out fine, but his projections on Fangraphs the next 3 seasons are about what Lough is expected to do.

**Shogun** · 12-05-2013, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

I'd much rather have Kendrick than Carlos Beltran. We'd have to swallow 10M per but he'll be a massive upgrade whereas Beltran probably won't be. If Carlos comes and kicks Butler out fine, but his projections on Fangraphs the next 3 seasons are about what Lough is expected to do.

This part is reeruned.

Chiefspants · 12-05-2013, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbook

Don't know how reliable this guy is

Angels/Royals/Cubs have talked about deal involving Samardzija Howie Kendrick Hochevar & others Bubba Starling's name has been thrown around

08-15-2013, 08:13 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1210308	(New) 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository New thread, this time with more burst. Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?
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