Royals (New) 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository - Page 214

duncan_idaho · 08-15-2013, 08:13 AM

New thread, this time with more burst.

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

Mecca · 12-06-2013, 10:19 AM

Typical Mariners, they've thrown out a ton of money to offensive players numerous times and most all of them went there and sucked ass. Remember that year they gave Beltre and Sexson a ton of money and they both sucked ass there?

Wonder if this puts Beltran on the Yankees.

mr. tegu · 12-06-2013, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

Typical Mariners, they've thrown out a ton of money to offensive players numerous times and most all of them went there and sucked ass. Remember that year they gave Beltre and Sexson a ton of money and they both sucked ass there?

Wonder if this puts Beltran on the Yankees.

I think they will have no issue giving Choo whatever he wants now.

Mecca · 12-06-2013, 10:22 AM

The Yankees can have Chris Getz to play 2nd!

siberian khatru · 12-06-2013, 10:22 AM

Career at Safeco: .309/.350/.487, with 4 HRs in 163 PAs

Bambi · 12-06-2013, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCUnited

Cano gets 10/240 deal from Seattle per MLB Network.

boom

SPchief · 12-06-2013, 10:24 AM

Butler for Franklin, sign Beltran, we win the offseason

SPATCH · 12-06-2013, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

Typical Mariners, they've thrown out a ton of money to offensive players numerous times and most all of them went there and sucked ass. Remember that year they gave Beltre and Sexson a ton of money and they both sucked ass there?

Wonder if this puts Beltran on the Yankees.

Chone Figgins disappeared there after signing a big deal, as well. Bad precedents.

Mecca · 12-06-2013, 10:24 AM

The Yankees have to be sitting there going "What the ****, first you give us that fat turd Pineda now this?"

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-06-2013, 10:29 AM

Stupid **** teams will never learn about MLB FA. It's just amazing.

BigCatDaddy · 12-06-2013, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCUnited

Cano gets 10/240 deal from Seattle per MLB Network.

I thought teams were supposed to get away from doing this type of dumb shit?

duncan_idaho · 12-06-2013, 10:37 AM

Well, as an owner of Robby Cano in my keeper fantasy league, I hate this move.

As a Royals/AL fan, I like the idea of a huge bat like Cano being taken away from the Yankees. He's now irrelevant. He thought hitting in that Yankees lineup last year was bad? Have fun playing in Seattle, buddy.

mr. tegu · 12-06-2013, 10:40 AM

I wonder how close we came to matching that offer.

SPATCH · 12-06-2013, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPchief

Butler for Franklin, sign Beltran, we win the offseason

I really wanted to see our HR totals jump in 2014. Which RF-DH-2B combo do you see hitting more HRs? Aoki-Beltran-Franklin? Or Beltran-Butler-Bonifacio (or whoever else at 2B)?

I want MOAR power damn it. Butler doesn't have that much power but you have to look at the alternatives and decide where the power is going to come from.

BlackHelicopters · 12-06-2013, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu

I wonder how close we came to matching that offer.

duncan_idaho · 12-06-2013, 11:02 AM

I don't get the Nick Franklin love, gang.

Look, I'm a prospect guy. I love minor league baseball and read prospect stuff fervently.

Even if the Royals were staring at a 90-loss season and Butler was a FA after this year, I'd be underwhelmed by a straight swap of Butler for Nick Franklin.

Franklin was, frankly, horrible, after his first two months in the major leagues last year. From August 1 on, he posted a .174/.274/.264 slash line.

I'm an advocate of being patient with young hitters, but if you're trading your best and most established hitter, in a season in which you're trying to contend, you can't add a piece that is still under development and might not be ready to contribute at the MLB level.

08-15-2013, 08:13 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1190308	(New) 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository New thread, this time with more burst. Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?
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12-06-2013, 10:19 AM	#3196
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2077050	Typical Mariners, they've thrown out a ton of money to offensive players numerous times and most all of them went there and sucked ass. Remember that year they gave Beltre and Sexson a ton of money and they both sucked ass there? Wonder if this puts Beltran on the Yankees.
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12-06-2013, 10:22 AM	#3198
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12-06-2013, 10:24 AM	#3203
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12-06-2013, 10:37 AM	#3206
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1190308	Well, as an owner of Robby Cano in my keeper fantasy league, I hate this move. As a Royals/AL fan, I like the idea of a huge bat like Cano being taken away from the Yankees. He's now irrelevant. He thought hitting in that Yankees lineup last year was bad? Have fun playing in Seattle, buddy. __________________ "You gotta love livin', cause dying is a pain in the ass." ---- Sinatra
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12-06-2013, 10:40 AM	#3207
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12-06-2013, 11:02 AM	#3210
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1190308	I don't get the Nick Franklin love, gang. Look, I'm a prospect guy. I love minor league baseball and read prospect stuff fervently. Even if the Royals were staring at a 90-loss season and Butler was a FA after this year, I'd be underwhelmed by a straight swap of Butler for Nick Franklin. Franklin was, frankly, horrible, after his first two months in the major leagues last year. From August 1 on, he posted a .174/.274/.264 slash line. I'm an advocate of being patient with young hitters, but if you're trading your best and most established hitter, in a season in which you're trying to contend, you can't add a piece that is still under development and might not be ready to contribute at the MLB level. __________________ "You gotta love livin', cause dying is a pain in the ass." ---- Sinatra
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