Fescoe references a website that doesn't like Alex Smith

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Bob Fescoe


Coming up tomorrow, we discuss what else...THE CHIEFS. How has Andy Reid changed the culture, one website does not like Alex Smith and why the hate from the national media may be a good thing. Plus we hear from a lot of coaches on the Chiefs staff, we hear from Bill Self and talk with Jayice Pearson at 9 and Lazlo at 930. Plus if you could have a non super hero super power what would it be? Fescoe in the Morning 6-10 AM on 610 Sports Radio

Am I missing something obvious, or is CP gonna get some love/hate on 610 in the morning?

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Interception or two?

Try thirteen and three fumbles along with numerous pick sixes.

The Chiefs would be lucky to be 4-5 with that shitbag turnover machine.

So, he can win 5 games with the Jets, with their 7 takeaways on the season and playing 4 games against division leaders, but he couldn't win that many with the Chiefs' 23 takeaways and playing one team with a winning record?

There are countless variables as far as the number of turnovers he'd have with the Chiefs, etc; but you're basically saying the Jets are quite a bit better than the Chiefs, outside of the QB position... I guess they would be 9-0 with Smith?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

So, he can win 5 games with the Jets, with their 7 takeaways on the season and playing 4 games against division leaders, but he couldn't win that many with the Chiefs' 23 takeaways and playing one team with a winning record?

There are countless variables as far as the number of turnovers he'd have with the Chiefs, etc; but you're basically saying the Jets are quite a bit better than the Chiefs, outside of the QB position... I guess they would be 9-0 with Smith?

That's right.

First off, the one common opponent, the Titans, beat them 38-13. Secondly, the Jets offensive line protects better than the Chiefs line. Lastly, considering Reid likes to throw 70% of the time, it's likely that his INT's would be even higher.

Besides that, he's garbage. He hasn't improved his decision making through nine games.

They beat the Saints but he had 125 yards passing.

Big whoop.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Interception or two?

Try thirteen and three fumbles along with numerous pick sixes.

The Chiefs would be lucky to be 4-5 with that shitbag turnover machine.

I'm amazed at the amount of time wasted on this BS.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by stevieray

I'm amazed at the amount of time wasted on this BS.

It's incredible

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by O.city

And again, trying just to try is pretty stupid. It's easy to sit here as a fan and say "take a qb, any qb, I don't care who".

But we had the first pick in the draft and now that fisher has struggled, everyone wants to point at that for a fact that we should have taken a qb.

Just because fisher, to this point (which is ridiculous to make a decision on a draft pick this soon) hasn't been good, doesn't mean they should have taken a qb.

I've said as much before... they obviously didn't think anyone fit their system or whatever. I'm just saying that I don't think it's elite or bust, or at least it shouldn't be. I think Dorsey and Reid know that... not so much with Clark Hunt.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by O.city

And again, trying just to try is pretty stupid. It's easy to sit here as a fan and say "take a qb, any qb, I don't care who".

But we had the first pick in the draft and now that fisher has struggled, everyone wants to point at that for a fact that we should have taken a qb.

Just because fisher, to this point (which is ridiculous to make a decision on a draft pick this soon) hasn't been good, doesn't mean they should have taken a qb.

Fisher's struggles are not the origin of this thought.

There were many that made the point that:

1) the OTs in this draft were being overrated (especially by Matt Miller, who compared Joeckel to Jon Ogden - which still makes me laugh)
2) In a draft that is weak all the way around and has NO sure things, it makes sense to take a player at the position with the most upside (QB).

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

I've said as much before... they obviously didn't think anyone fit their system or whatever. I'm just saying that I don't think it's elite or bust, or at least it shouldn't be. I think Dorsey and Reid know that... not so much with Clark Hunt.

Unless Clark hunt is making the draft decisions, why does it matter?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Fisher's struggles are not the origin of this thought.

There were many that made the point that:

1) the OTs in this draft were being overrated (especially by Matt Miller, who compared Joeckel to Jon Ogden - which still makes me laugh)
2) In a draft that is weak all the way around and has NO sure things, it makes sense to take a player at the position with the most upside (QB).

Unless I'm mistaken Matt miller wasn't making any draft choices, what he thinks is irrelevant.

The guys that matter, thought otherwise, hence the ol were drafted where they were. It's utterly ridiculous to determine what anyone is from this draft class 9 games in.

I realize the thought on the most upside, but there has to be a balancer here as well in that said qb has to have shown something of an upside that makes you think he'd be worth the risk.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

I was on the Geno bandwagon as much as anyone. That said, there is a good chance we didn't spend a draft pick and still got the best QB coming out of that class. SEC starter, laser rocket arm, and some moxie. He's going to need some development, but I'm not remotely giving up on the idea of Bray being our starter in 15 or even sooner.

I also DON'T GIVE A **** about anything else because we are 9-0. Of course there are problems, I thought this was a 9 win team with Andy Reid starting off the year. Welp, mission accomplished. Everything from here is gravy and I'm excited about the future of this team. After the shit storm we've endured, this is PLENTY good enough for me. I'm confident in our coaching staff, and front office. Which is the point. Anyone who thought we'd go on a Super Bowl run the year after going 2-14 is a ****ing reerun. It's all ****ing gravy at this point. ALL OF IT.

Our future is bright. Enjoying the ride. Aware of the weaknesses, will talk about them whenever I want, or feel the need too. But in no way am I going to feel cheated, slighted, or ****ed in any way over this team this year. That's stupid.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by O.city

Unless I'm mistaken Matt miller wasn't making any draft choices, what he thinks is irrelevant.

The guys that matter, thought otherwise, hence the ol were drafted where they were. It's utterly ridiculous to determine what anyone is from this draft class 9 games in.

I realize the thought on the most upside, but there has to be a balancer here as well in that said qb has to have shown something of an upside that makes you think he'd be worth the risk.

That's fair. All I was trying to do was make the point that people aren't just now looking at Fisher and saying "I'm not sure about this."

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

I was on the Geno bandwagon as much as anyone. That said, there is a good chance we didn't spend a draft pick and still got the best QB coming out of that class. SEC starter, laser rocket arm, and some moxie. He's going to need some development, but I'm not remotely giving up on the idea of Bray being our starter in 15 or even sooner.

I also DON'T GIVE A **** about anything else because we are 9-0. Of course there are problems, I thought this was a 9 win team with Andy Reid starting off the year. Welp, mission accomplished. Everything from here is gravy and I'm excited about the future of this team. After the shit storm we've endured, this is PLENTY good enough for me. I'm confident in our coaching staff, and front office.

Our future is bright. Enjoying the ride. Aware of the weaknesses, will talk about them whenever I want, or feel the need too. But in no way am I going to feel cheated, slighted, or ****ed in any way over this team this year. That's stupid.

Good chance? Come on, I understand being excited by Bray's arm, but a GOOD chance he's the best QB in that draft?

There's a chance, but I wouldn't exactly call it "good." The rate at which UDFA QBs work out is infinitesimal.

[Snapplez]

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

I was on the Geno bandwagon as much as anyone. That said, there is a good chance we didn't spend a draft pick and still got the best QB coming out of that class. SEC starter, laser rocket arm, and some moxie. He's going to need some development, but I'm not remotely giving up on the idea of Bray being our starter in 15 or even sooner.

Good chance based on what? I like Bray as much as the next guy, but Geno had a similar scouting report "can make all the throws, might lack maturity yadda yadda" but if anything Bray's maturity issue is far more documented.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

That's fair. All I was trying to do was make the point that people aren't just now looking at Fisher and saying "I'm not sure about this."

Absolutely.

I said it at the time, after some convincing from sorter, that Sheldon richardsons hould have been the pick.


But I think the Albert situation had something to do with the pick

[O.city]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Good chance? Come on, I understand being excited by Bray's arm, but a GOOD chance he's the best QB in that draft?

There's a chance, but I wouldn't exactly call it "good." The rate at which UDFA QBs work out is infinitesimal.

Previously yes, I'm not sure anymore.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Good chance? Come on, I understand being excited by Bray's arm, but a GOOD chance he's the best QB in that draft?

There's a chance, but I wouldn't exactly call it "good." The rate at which UDFA QBs work out is infinitesimal.

I get that. And normally I wouldn't say something like that, but this class was weak. It really was. And if anyone out there is going to pick that gem, it's the guys we have. And the proof is really in the pudding. The kid looked great in the preseason. I know it's still an uber long shot. I'm not holding my breath. I'm just saying.