Chiefs "Alex Smith makes your defense better" - Page 22

temper11 · 06-29-2015, 02:58 PM

Article from Arrowhead Pride. Talks of the apparent positive effects of Smith's game on the defense.

This won't change any minds... Smith-baters have been saying this for a while now, but at least someone put it on paper and put some numbers to it for discussion.

Have at it everyone...

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015/6...defense-better

BigCatDaddy · 07-23-2015, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

So why then is a QB like Brees getting a 1st rd WR in Cooks? Why does Rodgers get a 2nd rd WR in Adams and Jordy? Why pay Randall Cobb 10 mil per? Why is Brady getting 2nd rd WR Dobson? Matty Ice needs his team to move up for Julio Jones in the top 10? Why does Denver need to bring in Emmanuel Sanders? Why retain Demaryius Thomas at such high cost? Can Romo not live without Dez, for them to pay him that much? Why pay Antonio Brown an average of 8 mil per?

The questions go on. I mean, if these QBs can make any receiver look good... how can they justify these resources?

... and name 15 WRs better than Hilton, please.

Because all of those QBs sucked ass until those those WRs came on board, right?

Discuss Thrower · 07-23-2015, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

"TY Hilton is a top 10 receiver"

"No he isn't"

"Name 15 receivers better than Hilton then"

Goalpost moving for days

Sandy Vagina · 07-23-2015, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

You say I can't read. But gloss over that I said Rodgers won a Super Bowl with his entire WR corps dinged up. He's usually had a bad OL. Manning has had many years with really dinged up WRs and OL. His final years in Indy, his supporting cast was atrocious and his OL was one of the worst in the league. You keep commenting about how great these OLs and WRs are... did you ever stop to think that these WRs are racking up huge seasons because they're playing with an elite QB? How good was Santonio outside of Pittsburgh? Has Wallace looked anything close to a true #1? Did you see how well Denver's dinged up OL played against KC 2 years ago? Because Peyton specifically designed an offense to get rid of the ball lightning fast.

I agree that it's unfair to compare him to the elites. But you asked what QB and the elite / almost elites have been around long enough to do well no matter what the supporting cast.

Umm... Maybe because he's 36? He did win a playoff game just 2 years ago.

Alex Smith had an absolute shit OL and WR group at the end of 2013. Even worse in the Colts playoff game. As I've said over and over, he problem is in Alex's head. He's choosing to manage games instead of attacking. And when he manages games, he makes his OL and WRs worse.

I'll address some things:

- Yes, Mike Wallace was a damn beast for a while there. A true homerun threat that put together some nice seasons.. but started to derail mentally.

- dinged up? yeah, that's the NFL, and all teams deal with dinged up.

- Brees isn't a real mobile QB anyway... what's him being 36 really matter that much? Why does he get the excuse? He couldn't elevate the team around him period.

- Why is Peyton so special that he keeps needing his "special/sneaky/pick" schemes to follow him around? Shouldn't great QBs be able to function at a high level no matter what?

just some thoughts..

Sandy Vagina · 07-23-2015, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Goalpost moving for days

You can't see that I just moved the goalpost closer to your advantage? lol

ThaVirus · 07-23-2015, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

You can't see that I just moved the goalpost closer to your advantage? lol

You are not very smart.

**The Franchise** · 07-23-2015, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

You can't see that I just moved the goalpost closer to your advantage? lol

lolwut?

Alex Smith is a top 15 QB.

Name me 25 QBs better than Alex Smith.

ThaVirus · 07-23-2015, 04:09 PM

Mike Wallace changed teams and his production went down- he must have derailed mentally!

Just as Crabs was lazy, Bowe was lazy, etc.

You're doing some serious gymnastics here to try and validate your point of view. The fact that you can't see it is even weirder than the fact that you followed a middling QB to another team in the first place.

Sandy Vagina · 07-23-2015, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Because these teams have to win by scoring a bazillion points. The Chiefs are just trying to score 20.

Why couldn't they score points by using lesser resourced WRs?

See, you really can't get around this. If the great QBs could excel with anyone at WR.. these teams would not pay the level of resources they do to acquire or retain them. They do it because as their receiving corps dips in talent... so do their high-paid QBs.

Pasta Little Brioni · 07-23-2015, 04:13 PM

Rodgers made those guys in GB. Just like Luck is doing in Indy. You think they miss the throw to Wilson that would have beat Pitt and put us in the playoffs????

dls6501 · 07-23-2015, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

... and name 15 WRs better than Hilton, please.

LOL. Now its 15?

Ok....off the top of my head:

Calvin Johnson
Odell Beckham JR
Demaryius Thomas
AJ Green
Dez Bryant
Randall Cobb
Jordy Nelson
Julio Jones
Antonio Brown
Brandon Marshall
Victor Cruz
Larry Fitzgerald
Desean Jackson
Jeremy Maclin
ALshon Jeffrey
Andre Johnson

Hows that?

Sandy Vagina · 07-23-2015, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

You are not very smart.

Hey, you drink as much as I have through the years, you lose brain cells! lol

So let's look back.

"Hilton is not a top 10 WR"

"I say he is. Name 10 WRs better" (this allows you to name 9 WRs better)
"I say he is. Name 15 WRs better" (this allows you to name 14 WRs better)

I did you a favor... by giving you more space to scramble for 14 WRs to be better.. therefore clearly helping you push Hilton out of the top 10... which is a benefit to your argument.

So... you drank more than me, eh?

BigCatDaddy · 07-23-2015, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

Why couldn't they score points by using lesser resourced WRs?

See, you really can't get around this. If the great QBs could excel with anyone at WR.. these teams would not pay the level of resources they do to acquire or retain them. They do it because as their receiving corps dips in talent... so do their high-paid QBs.

You must have misses the Superbowl this year.

Sandy Vagina · 07-23-2015, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

Rodgers made those guys in GB. Just like Luck is doing in Indy. You think they miss the throw to Wilson that would have beat Pitt and put us in the playoffs????

How much you think Hilton gets paid by Indy? If what you say is true... Hilton will be released when his contract runs out... right?

Why pay Randall Cobb 10 mil per when you already have some solid WR talent there?

BigCatDaddy · 07-23-2015, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dls6501

LOL. Now its 15?

Ok....off the top of my head:

Calvin Johnson
Odell Beckham JR
Demaryius Thomas
AJ Green
Dez Bryant
Randall Cobb
Jordy Nelson
Julio Jones
Antonio Brown
Brandon Marshall
Victor Cruz
Larry Fitzgerald
Desean Jackson
Jeremy Maclin
ALshon Jeffrey
Andre Johnson

Hows that?

But can YOU name 40???? Huh? Huh? Well.....
.

chiefzilla1501 · 07-23-2015, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

Why couldn't they score points by using lesser resourced WRs?

See, you really can't get around this. If the great QBs could excel with anyone at WR.. these teams would not pay the level of resources they do to acquire or retain them. They do it because as their receiving corps dips in talent... so do their high-paid QBs.

This is a serious comment?

Umm... you surround great QBs with good receivers because you have to win games by passing the ball. Because if you can't pass the ball, most of those teams aren't good at running the ball or playing defense. Even if you surround Alex Smith with great receivers, you're not going to win the game by passing the ball.

Do you think with Green Bay's or Pittsburgh's defense you're going to get away with a QB with a <30% third down efficiency and strings of consecutive 3 and outs?

06-29-2015, 02:58 PM
temper11 Veteran Join Date: Nov 2013 Casino cash: $10014156	"Alex Smith makes your defense better" Article from Arrowhead Pride. Talks of the apparent positive effects of Smith's game on the defense. This won't change any minds... Smith-baters have been saying this for a while now, but at least someone put it on paper and put some numbers to it for discussion. Have at it everyone... http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015/6...defense-better
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ThaVirus Grand champ Join Date: Sep 2007 Casino cash: $612369	Mike Wallace changed teams and his production went down- he must have derailed mentally! Just as Crabs was lazy, Bowe was lazy, etc. You're doing some serious gymnastics here to try and validate your point of view. The fact that you can't see it is even weirder than the fact that you followed a middling QB to another team in the first place.
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Pasta Little Brioni Consuming CP souls Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: U.S.A. Casino cash: $2548880	Rodgers made those guys in GB. Just like Luck is doing in Indy. You think they miss the throw to Wilson that would have beat Pitt and put us in the playoffs???? __________________ **Official TFWdemB Trivia Commisioner**
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