*****OFFICIAL 2013 Kansas City Chiefs Training Camp Thread*****

[shitgoose]

Training Camp Schedule

http://www.missouriwestern.edu/kcchiefs/

Rookies & QBs report July 22nd

Rest of Team reports July 25th

Spoiler!

Friday, July 26 - Practice – 3:30 p.m. – $5 Admission Fee

First Practice Open to the Public – Entire Team Autograph Session

Saturday, July 27 - Practice – 8:15 a.m.

Sunday, July 28 - Practice – 8:15 a.m.

Monday, July 29 - Practice – 8:15 a.m.

Tuesday, July 30 - Practice – 8:15 a.m.

Wednesday, July 31 - No Practice

Thursday, Aug. 1 - Practice – 8:15 a.m.

Friday, Aug. 2 - Practice – 8:15 a.m.

Saturday, Aug. 3 - Practice – 8:15 a.m.

“American Family” Fun Day – Entire Team Autograph Session

Sunday, Aug. 4 - Practice – 8:15 a.m.

Monday, Aug. 5 - Practice – 8:15 a.m.

Tuesday, Aug. 6 - Practice – 8:15 a.m.

Wednesday, Aug. 7 - No Practice

Thursday, Aug. 8 - Team Travel Day – No Practice

Friday, Aug. 9 - Preseason Game No. 1 – Chiefs at Saints – 7 p.m.

Saturday, Aug. 10 - No Practice

Sunday, Aug. 11 - Practice – 8:15 a.m.

Monday, Aug. 12 - Practice – 8:15 a.m.

Tuesday, Aug. 13 - Practice – 8:15 a.m.

Wednesday, Aug. 14 - Practice – 8:15 a.m.

Thursday, Aug. 15 - Team Travel Day – No Practice – Camp in St. Joseph Breaks

Friday, Aug. 16 - Preseason Game No. 2 – Chiefs vs. 49ers – 7 p.m.

* Weather and field conditions are evaluated daily. All dates and times provided are subject to change.

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[mcaj22]

again, Falcons lost by 4 to the Saints

gave up 400 yards passing

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...1211110nor.htm

look at the left side that is pathetic

[KCrockaholic]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

they were in a lot of shootouts that were close like this:

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...1209300atl.htm

Dunta Robinson is on the left side for example.

Cam Newton Short Left: 7/11 101 yards 2 TDs

Dunta Robinson is the perfect player for opposing offenses to expose and pick on all game.

Dunta was torched in this game. Allowed 7 for 7, and 2 TDs. We will get sick of him at times this year.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

Dunta Robinson is the perfect player for opposing offenses to expose and pick on all game.

He isn't expected to be one of the starting 2 is he?...

[mcaj22]

he gets torched a lot

thank goodness Sean Smith is going to start, at least. and I hope Flowers never gets hurt

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Rausch

He isn't expected to be one of the starting 2 is he?...

He's the nickel, which is practically a starter in today's NFL.

The Broncos had over 500 pass attempts last season with 3 or more WR.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by Rausch

He isn't expected to be one of the starting 2 is he?...

no but that's the pickle

if hes not one of the 2, then is he going to cover the slot? or on passing downs does Flowers bump down to the slot and Dunta cover the outside

Dunta is not a slot CB,

[The Bad Guy]

Claynus still beating the Sean Smith drum when he didn't play in a press man system last year nor did he watch more than a quarter of a Dolphins game.

When your football knowledge comes from PFF and reading other teams message boards this is what happens.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER

He's the nickel, which is practically a starter in today's NFL.

The Broncos had over 500 pass attempts last season with 3 or more WR.

They're going to score anyway. We'll have to put up 20+ to have a any chance of beating them...

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER

Patrick Peterson had a poor rookie season. He's not a god.

You see, the problem is that you present these arguments as though they are the crafted thoughts of your own exhaustive, first-hand research.

They are not. They are you looking at a website that ranks players according to their own analysis. What's wrong with that, you ask?

I will tell you.

Player X is a 5'9, 190 lb cornerback who was playing in a cover-2 zone scheme where he relied on safety help over the top. His particular coaches always kept him on the right side of the field. Other teams would line up their largest receivers on him to create a height mismatch. Meanwhile, it was recognized on film that the safety assigned with helping him would bite at least one step on play-action. Not enough to take him completely out of the play, but enough to get him a step out of position. Player X is a good player. He is coachable. He didn't press the receiver, because his coaches don't believe in gambling. They wanted him to contain the big play so as not to put pressure on his game manager QB.

Player Y is 6'1, 210 pounds, and he is not coachable. He doesn't listen to his DC who tells him they'd rather give up an 8 yard gain and live to fight another day than get beat over the top. His safety is extremely smart and extremely disciplined. His safety is constantly diagnosing plays and calling them out before they even happen. This gives Player Y the confidence to jump routes, which he does often. He knows that he will either get the interception or his safety will be behind him for the help, which he almost always is. For this reason, they are statistically the most effective secondary duo in the league. When Player Y gets beat bad, it rarely shows up, because his safety help is there to prevent a big gain.

Now, Player X and Player Y are both unrestricted free agents. You log onto your good ol' PFF where they have Player X as giving up 8.9 YPC and Player Y giving up 6.7.

You want Player Y. You say he's better. The evidence clearly proves it.

Except... it doesn't.

The PFF guys look at that and they determine Player X is playing off the receiver and doesn't have the closing speed to defend the pass. Fine, but that's what he was told to do. And the PFF guys don't tell you they made this judgment call. You aren't privy to that individual, play-by-play analysis.

In fact, there IS no individual, play-by-play analysis. Because guess what? In order to do that, you need a crew of guys working almost around the clock for every single team.

You know what that's called? Position coaches.

Five guys on a website do not analyze 64 starting cornerbacks with the insight and accuracy that 64 guys (call it two coaches per team) will.

And the fact is, when dealing with free agents, you cannot compare them to the entire league. You have to compare them to only the OTHER AVAILABLE PLAYERS. (this argument is a little moving-the-goalposts, but I still think it's worth mentioning).

This is why I don't just blindly look at statistical analysis from a fan-run website and call it gospel.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

I thought this was a **TRAINING CAMP** thread- not a still Butthurt over Alex thread-Jeez people put on your big boy pants already-lol

I'll have many pages to read through, but I can't imagine there to be a better, more appropriate post than this one.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

This is why I don't just blindly look at statistical analysis from a fan-run website and call it gospel.

It's much easier to just say "Claynus is clueless".

[Jersey49chief]

Originally Posted by SNR

The game manager defense. We can go there.

You speak of QBs like Ben Rothlisberger and Joe Flacco who played on teams and won with a lot of help from their defenses. Flacco ironically won the Super Bowl with his worst defense in years, but that's besides the point. Those QBs do what it takes to win and that's all that matters is what you're saying. Fair enough.

You know what else those QBs do? Throw for 300-400 yards with multiple TDs. They win shootouts. They win grind games. They make clutch plays.

Don't even try comparing Alex Smith to those QBs. He's not at all what you think he is. He's far more Kyle Orton than he'll ever be Roethlisberger or Flacco.

Thank u. thats all i wanted. a more subtle response. and one thing i know that u left out.

He led the league in Comeback wins.

He went toe to toe with the leagues best in Brees, (in the playoffs, no less) and pulled out the victory.

He has already proven to be clutch, and win those grind games. In which, as you know, grind games don't have to be high scoring. Just which teams offense can put up that winning score, or in some cases, drive the ball down the field for the winning FG if need be.

Also, and lets be honest, did any of those teams have a great core around them. Honestly IMHO, had Flacco not had Boldin or Ray Lewis's comeback journey, he may not have won that SB. Had Roeth, not had the Bus, Ward, or Polamalu, he may not have won.

So although we talk only of the Qb, some other parts have to be in place to help the Qb overcome and get that W.

But thats the only problem, something is lost or insulted in trying to compare Qb's.
For Example, I dislike both the Mannings. But honestly is Eli better because he has more SB's than his brother?? Some say Hell yeah, and some say Hell no. It comes down to the way we individually look at it, know what I mean.

I just say whats wrong with giving the guy a chance, and see if he can help lead this team to victories? Don't count him out because of earlier years before JH. Because if you take his last two year results, i think 19-5, and clutch playoff win leading to the divisional championship. Not too shabby IMHO.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Claynus still beating the Sean Smith drum when he didn't play in a press man system last year nor did he watch more than a quarter of a Dolphins game.

When your football knowledge comes from PFF and reading other teams message boards this is what happens.

Yeah, OK.

We'll see "what happens" with Sean Smith this season.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by Maverick91579

he didn't get a concussion in 2011. He wasn't hurt at all. He did suffer a shoulder ding in 2010. I don't recall this concussion that is brought up numerous times.

I don't remember a 2nd concussion either. Not 100% certain.. but have no recollection, and I think I would.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

no but that's the pickle

if hes not one of the 2, then is he going to cover the slot? or on passing downs does Flowers bump down to the slot and Dunta cover the outside

Dunta is not a slot CB,

I liked the signing at first because there was talk of him moving to FS. He's a solid hitter and could probably play that role well.

Did not want him at CB other than an emergency starter...