Royals (New) 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository - Page 224

duncan_idaho · 08-15-2013, 08:13 AM

New thread, this time with more burst.

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

Deberg_1990 · 12-07-2013, 11:39 AM

Of course Beltran went to the Yanks instead of the Royals.

Always the bridesmaid....never the bride.

Prison Bitch · 12-07-2013, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MeatRock

I don't know of anyone jizzing over Nick Franklin other than Prison Bitch.

Well, and the analysts over at Fan Graphs.

Prison Bitch · 12-07-2013, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MVChiefFan

I'm not gonna lie and say I'm not disappointed. But on to the next, what would take, realistically, to land Kendrick?

The Angels are all about pitching so it'd take one of our young pitchers. It really depends on what your appetite is for taking on Kendrick's 10M. That hurts his trade value significantly as you know. They would ask for Duffy but he (and Ventura and Zimmer) are our rotation next year. All 3 carry massive "option value" going forward because all 3 are potential 1-3 starters.

I would suspect Hochevar and possibly a B or B+ prospect would get that done. They have no interest in our bats.

**alnorth** · 12-07-2013, 12:08 PM

Matt Kemp is a weird player. His defense is not very good, so we're talking about someone who would be just adequate in our RF and he'll either be good or not based only on his bat. (Woah wait, this guy won 2 gold gloves in CF? Really?!?)

Offensively he's just all over the place, some incredible MVP-type years, some all-star years, and some "meh" years.

He's also scheduled to get paid way too damned much money, so the Dodgers would have to eat a lot of that contract.

**alnorth** · 12-07-2013, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS
beltran agent told nyy he had 2 $48M/3 bids. cashman went from 2 yrs to $45M/3, said answer quick or we go elsewhere (choo)

Interesting. If Beltran had two seperate 3/48 offers, then the rumors that we offered 3/48 were obviously true. Beltran took about 1MM AAV less to go to New York.

Wilson8 · 12-07-2013, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Well, and the analysts over at Fan Graphs.

I’d take Nick Franklin if Seattle wants to trade him on the cheap.

Don’t think that is going to happen though. Seattle still values their former 1st round pick pretty highly when it comes to trading.

I would not trade Billy Butler for him.

Last year Franklin started out pretty good but the months of July and August were terrible for him. He had a .107 AVG with a .194 OBP in the month of August.

On the plus side for Nick, he’s only 22 years old, he’s only been in the majors for 102 games, he played SS and 2B in the minors, and in 4 years in the minors he batted .287 and hit 46 home runs.

On the negative, he struck out a lot even in the minors. In 394 games he struck out 338 times.

penbrook · 12-07-2013, 12:41 PM

Per Bob Nightengale

The #Dbacks were indeed the mystery team who offered the 3-yr, $48 million deal for Carlos Beltran as @nickpiecoro reported.

Pitt Gorilla · 12-07-2013, 02:05 PM

Beltran would have been fine, but I'm glad we didn't give up the pick for him.

**Anyong Bluth** · 12-07-2013, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wilson8

Matt Kemp – Future Salary Schedule

How much salary would the Dodgers have to eat to allow the Royals to trade for him?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerm

I just don't see how the Royals trade for Kemp with that contract...even though I think he'd benefit from a change of scenery.

SportsCenter on ESPNews just had a blurb on about Kemp and his agent talking about a pending deal to the Red Sox.

The $$ numbers never made a lot of sense for him ending up in KC. The only way would have been if LA ate a huge chunk of his remaining salary, and that would only have happened if we were giving up quite a bit of talent in return- which I think everyone would agree would have been a completely horrible move for this organization!

Coach · 12-07-2013, 09:25 PM

The thing is about Kemp, he has been suffering some kind of injuries, and he hasn't lived up to his 2011 form. I don't think Kemp will ever come close to his 2011 form, in my opinion, and the money involved in him? That's a big contract, unless the Dodgers would be willing to eat 5/8ths of it for the Royals, I don't think Kemp is coming to Kansas City.

Great Expectations · 12-07-2013, 10:54 PM

So Beltran takes less money to avoid the Royals and the yanks probably sign infante away from us.

Here is to hoping they miss the party drain yet again. Any chance they end up having to pay Arod's salary?

Great Expectations · 12-07-2013, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach

The thing is about Kemp, he has been suffering some kind of injuries, and he hasn't lived up to his 2011 form. I don't think Kemp will ever come close to his 2011 form, in my opinion, and the money involved in him? That's a big contract, unless the Dodgers would be willing to eat 5/8ths of it for the Royals, I don't think Kemp is coming to Kansas City.

Kemp is great when he can use hgh amongst other things.

BlackHelicopters · 12-08-2013, 08:45 AM

Chris Getz been signed yet?

**lewdog** · 12-08-2013, 08:47 AM

Why do I have the feeling we are going to miss out on getting another bat for this lineup?

**cabletech94** · 12-08-2013, 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lewdog

Why do I have the feeling we are going to miss out on getting another bat for this lineup?

really, lewd? when has GMDM let you down?

/parody thread over.

08-15-2013, 08:13 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $270308	(New) 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository New thread, this time with more burst. Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?
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