Chiefs Chiefs' offense: "one of the worst in the league, by nearly every measure" - Page 23

**the Talking Can** · 06:49 AM

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/9...chiefs-offense

some numbers to chew on from arrowhead pride

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The Chiefs are actually 12th in the league in PPG, at 23.7. But if you take away the 14 points the defense is directly responsible for, that number drops to 19 PPG, which would be tied for 23rd - with the Raiders. The Chiefs are relying on the defense to score points, which isn't good. Defensive scoring is random and shouldn't be part of the game plan. They didn't need Tamba Hali's pick-6 to beat the Jaguars, but they did need Eric Berry's against the Eagles.

They also are just not moving the ball; their 333 yds/gm is 21st in the league and their 4.9 yds/play ranks 25th. "Well Kyle," you may ask, " if the Chiefs offense is so bad, how are they undefeated this year?" That's an excellent question, thank you for asking. The answer is that the defense and special teams are much, much better than we thought.

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The problem the Chiefs are having is getting to the Red Zone in the first place. They're 30th in yards per drive, with only Tampa Bay and Jacksonville behind them, and Cleveland directly in front of them (not good company to be in). This is a really, really bad offense. But here's the real kicker: the Chiefs' offense has the best starting field position in the NFL this year, and still can't score.

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The Chiefs average 17 yards per drive better field position than their opponents (ok, ok, 16.95), the best mark in the NFL (2nd table). Only two other teams average more than 10 yards better starting field position than their opponents (New England and Chicago). The Chiefs' average starting line of scrimmage (LOS) is their own 36.97 yard line (best in the NFL), while their opponents average starting LOS is their own 20.02 yard line (also best in the NFL). What all of that means is the Chiefs's offense is handed consistently great starting field position and can't do anything with it, then they let the special teams pin opponents deep in their own territory. The defense bails out the offense by not letting opponents move the ball, giving the offense the ball back with great starting field position. Lather, rinse, repeat.

There's a nice breakdown of our defense against philly over there as well:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/9/2...p-kelly-eagles

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I have to reiterate and emphasize just how much the Chiefs played man to man -- like a ton of it. And they have the secondary to handle it, unlike most teams in the NFL. Specifically, they matched up Sean Smith on Cooper a lot on the outside. If this had been a prize fight, Cooper's corner would have thrown in the towel somewhere around the middle of the second quarter. Smith owned him right up until the end of the game when he started cramping up. Cooper just couldn't shake him, especially on those aforementioned deep routes Kelly had him running all game.

**Mav** · 09-26-2013, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Jakemall

I find it facinating that Alex had the same sort of stats in 2011. Considering that it was a similiar situation (new coach, new play book, ect.) I guess it shouldn't be THAT surprising.

Sure it is completely unimpressive, but somehow the job gets done.

Alex could become the first QB to take two different teams to the play-offs and get absolutely none of the credit. Maybe the history buffs could correct me on this.

Mark Brunell?

Mark Rypien to a certain degree. Cant remember if he went with the Rams, but hes very much in the same kind of category.

Alex Smith does deserve some credit, but he deserves some blame too.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-26-2013, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I could swear that just before the start of the season Dorsey had an interview with Petro (I think it was Petro) where he basically said he thought it would take the better part of the season for the line to come together, due to their age/experience and the scheme change. I thought that was just blowing smoke at the time, but it doesn't look so much like it now.

I've been saying this since May. I hope we're both right.

As I've said this week, I expect to see some improvement this week due or the ten days break. I also expect more improvement after the Bye Week.

If we don't see improvement after week nine, I expect changes to be made.

keg in kc · 09-26-2013, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

Could, or should? As I was saying with Clay last night, something we both agree on. It doesn't make sense that Hemmingway isn't this teams third receiver. The problems with tight end are much bigger than people want to realize. Fasano is a career back up, and I loved the Kelce pick as much as anyone, and he showed nothing in the preseason, and has been hurt all season. That's beyond a disaster. I don't know about Gray, or Cyrus, but that's a huge drop off after Charles, I believe.

One M. Hemingway. Like the writer...

I'd rather see him on the field than McCluster. So should works as well as could for me.

Gray is actually a good player. I think he'd be fine as a starter. Not JC, but he'd do fine.

I think TE will be fine once they're back. Injuries happen, it's the nature of the game. I think they've lucked out finding Sean McGrath and expect it will be a position of strength once Fasano and Kelce are back.

**Mav** · 09-26-2013, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I could swear that just before the start of the season Dorsey had an interview with Petro (I think it was Petro) where he basically said he thought it would take the better part of the season for the line to come together, due to their age/experience and the scheme change. I thought that was just blowing smoke at the time, but it doesn't look so much like it now.

It usually takes an offensive line about half the season of playing together consistently to learn a new system, all the calls, how a qb calls a game. It also doesn't help when your right side looks like shit in a bag as well. I think the left side of the Chiefs line has played really well. Just the right side has struggled.

I think the playcalling has been wildly erratic as well. All things that will get corrected. Bowe will become more of a factor as things go on. Averys hot game should ease some of that pressure off of him. I personally am not going to panic until later in the season.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-26-2013, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

3rd and short is a huge issue.

If I remember correctly we converted on 3rd and long 3 times and failed to convert 3 times on 3rd and 2 or less last week.

So you're saying it's an Andy Reid offense.

L.A. Chieffan · 09-26-2013, 10:54 AM

The offense is exactly good as it needs to be. What do you guys want? Vermiel #1 offense and be 1-2 at this point?

**Rausch** · 09-26-2013, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

I am not sure though that there is the talent quite yet on the Chiefs offense, to allow for that. That would be my concern.

I'm not sure either.

I just want us to go down with the best we've got. Offense as well.

Tee the **** off...

GoChargers · 09-26-2013, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan

The offense is exactly good as it needs to be. What do you guys want? Vermiel #1 offense and be 1-2 at this point?

False dilemma.

L.A. Chieffan · 09-26-2013, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChargers

False dilemma.

Exactly there is no dilemma.

3 and 0

**Mav** · 09-26-2013, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

I'm not sure either.

I just want us to go down with the best we've got. Offense as well.

Tee the **** off...

I can counter that, not with a gif though, yours was awesome, but, winning ugly, sure beats losing pretty.

But I get what you are saying. I don't think that any one is content.

Alex, needs to live by what he says though. He said that Andy Reid has told him to do what he wants to do. I understand the ball control aspect of it, but he needs to learn like he started to do with Crabtree last year despite what all the Alex haters will tell you, he definitely was learning to trust crabtree.

He needs to do that with Bowe. I maintained it then, I maintain it now. Bowe is the best receiver he has ever played with. He gets him involved, and its game on.

**Rausch** · 09-26-2013, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

I can counter that, not with a gif though, yours was awesome, but, winning ugly, sure beats losing pretty.

But I get what you are saying. I don't think that any one is content.

Right now I don't see how anyone on the offense is feeling all that great.

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

Alex, needs to live by what he says though. He said that Andy Reid has told him to do what he wants to do.

He is doing what he wants.

I don't think Alex is doing anything wrong at all.

In fact I'd blame this offense on Phat Andy.

**Mav** · 09-26-2013, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Right now I don't see how anyone on the offense is feeling all that great.

He is doing what he wants.

I don't think Alex is doing anything wrong at all.

In fact I'd blame this offense on Phat Andy.

I guess what I was saying by do what he wants, is that if he wants to take some risks, that Andy isn't going to jerk him for Chase freaking Daniel.

I honestly believe that since Singletary yanked him for Troy Smith after the Chargers game, in 2010, that his mind set was I cant take any unnecessary risks, and that didn't change under harbaugh because they preached taking care of the ball, and that a sack was better than a pick.

Take also with that him knowing that Kaep was the future, and it made it all the easier to not to force anything. Andy has to break him of that, and he has been trying. Remember the training camp report of Andy wanting him to make more chances. he CAN make the throws as evidenced by the philly game. Its all in him to do it.

I understand completely why chiefs fans are so frustrated.

Jakemall · 09-26-2013, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

I guess what I was saying by do what he wants, is that if he wants to take some risks, that Andy isn't going to jerk him for Chase freaking Daniel.

I honestly believe that since Singletary yanked him for Troy Smith after the Chargers game, in 2010, that his mind set was I cant take any unnecessary risks, and that didn't change under harbaugh because they preached taking care of the ball, and that a sack was better than a pick.

Take also with that him knowing that Kaep was the future, and it made it all the easier to not to force anything. Andy has to break him of that, and he has been trying. Remember the training camp report of Andy wanting him to make more chances. he CAN make the throws as evidenced by the philly game. Its all in him to do it.

I understand completely why chiefs fans are so frustrated.

To be fair, Alex has taken a couple chances and watched the ball drop. I'm sure that did wonders for getting him to come out of his shell.

Sandy Vagina · 09-26-2013, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

I understand completely why chiefs fans are so frustrated.

WE know Alex has been pretty averse in throwing deep, but everyone should admit that the OL pass pro suckage has also played a part in the lacking number of deep passes. If the pass pro was sitting pretty as the 7th best? then I would just

, but it's 7th worst, and that looks pretty accurate thus far.

**Rausch** · 09-26-2013, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

I guess what I was saying by do what he wants, is that if he wants to take some risks, that Andy isn't going to jerk him for Chase freaking Daniel.

Yeah. That chance hovers right around 0.00%

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

I honestly believe that since Singletary yanked him for Troy Smith after the Chargers game, in 2010, that his mind set was I can't take any unnecessary risks, and that didn't change under harbaugh because they preached taking care of the ball, and that a sack was better than a pick.

This. THIS THIS THIS!

He's a ****ing smart guy that could learn any offense, and honestly, I think he could play in any offense.

At some point (and I'd completely agree with it being that point) it became what he was as a QB. It's now what he is...

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