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**Mr. Flopnuts** · 10:18 AM

I wanted Geno Smith as much as anyone here. But I'm an it is what it is guy. So I started last night trying to find some kind of bright side to this whole fiasco. I've written the following piece, and am looking forward to being skewered for it.

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The Alex Smith Experiment

Let it be known, I was in mourning all day yesterday. I had hitched my wagons so tightly to Geno Smith or some other young, QB stud coming out of this year's draft class that I never could bring myself to believe that the brilliant Andy Reid, and John Dorsey would actually trade for Alex Smith. Then they did. And I was crushed. I whined, complained, and proclaimed I could no longer care about this team. But I was born and raised inside the walls of this Kingdom. I could never pack my bags and walk away.

So I started thinking about what all of this meant. The first thing that came to mind was that it was obvious our new leadership didn't see what I saw in this year's crop of field generals. They agreed with the majority of people out there saying there was very, very little to be excited about out of the QB's entering the NFL this year. It also occurred to me that they must have thought very highly of Alex Smith considering the compensation that is being rumored to be given up for him. And I wondered if all the work we put in with Save Our Chiefs last year was in vein.

I mean, we've seen this movie. Over, and over, and over again. This is the 5th 49er retread this franchise has brought in for us over the last 25 years. And the great Joe Montana was the only one that has provided us with a playoff win. So naturally my thought process was “Here we go again! New Chiefs, same as the old Chiefs!”

Then I started doing my homework and watching the last couple of years of Alex Smith. This is a what have you done for me lately league, so I wasn't really worried about his first few years in the league. Coaching changes year after year, and no real continuity was what greeted him to the league. Jim Harbaugh came in and 2011 Alex Smith made some instant strides. I saw some things out of him that have now convinced me that this time the sequel could be better than the original. Here are some reasons I believe Alex Smith can help lead us to the promised land.

1. Leadership. Probably the most important thing a QB has to have, and something that has lacked in KC for the last couple of years. 2012 was a huge indicator of that. The Chiefs didn't believe in their QB and their play reflected it. On both sides of the ball. Alex Smith didn't have a contract with the 49ers the year of the lockout. Yet it was widely reported he still got his hands on Jim Harbaugh's new playbook and organized practices with his teammates. They rallied around him, and the proof is in the pudding. A muffed punt away from the Super Bowl.

2. Clutch. He has it. Tons of it. The biggest indicator was in his first playoff game. Back and forth, and they fell behind with around a minute left in the game. Alex marched them down the field and on a 3rd and 3 with his team in field goal position, he made his best pass of the entire game to score the game winning TD. On the biggest stage of his life. His coach could've easily played it safe and went for over time, but he believed in Alex. And that belief paid off with a win.

3. Field awareness. I watched a lot of tape. When Alex got loose of the pocket and had to scramble, he knew where the first down marker was. I watched him twist, and turn. Take hits, and deliver hits to get to that first down marker. No fetal position from Alex Smith. He went for it. Consistantly.

4. Progressions. I watched him go through progressions when he needed too. I haven't seen a lot of Alex locking onto a guy and just winging it in there regardless of coverage. That said, I've also seen him wing that ball in between two defenders where only his guy can catch the ball. And there's enough strength in his throws that the ball is there before the defender can respond too it.

5. Coaching. It took an elite coach to get the very best out of Alex Smith. And when he received that, he excelled instantaneously. What better coach, or situation could Alex Smith go to right now and replicate that success? There isn't one. This is it. Coach Reid, and our squad has the talent to put around Alex, and the ability to give him further insight, and tutilege to enhance, and grow his game.

6. Intangibles. This guy has a fire burning inside of him right now. He finally, finally got a head coach who was able to work with him, and he learned the system. He took his team to the brink of the Super Bowl and didn't get there due to no fault of his own. The very moment he was hurt, he was yanked, replaced, and watched his team go to the same spot that he himself probably could've led them too. He's the hungriest man in professional football right now, maybe in all of professional sports. He has something to prove, and he has a chip on his shoulder. And the way he conducted himself throughout that entire process as it unfolded last year was the mark of a leader.

7. History. Time and time again we've seen the stats that 1st round QB's win Super Bowls. We have not only a 1st round QB in Alex, but the very first pick in the draft. This is what we all wanted. Not how we envisioned it, but history is now on our side.

So there you have it. I've gone through mourning, and I've done my homework. I believe in our coach, and our new general manager, and I do not believe this in any way, shape, or form is remniscent of Scott *****, and the moves he made when he came to Kansas City. And I think that is truly our biggest fear. Because this move looks SO closely like the one Scooter made when he came to town, that we are all going to be relegated to that kind of failure over the next half decade.

I just don't think so. I think we have a former number 1 overall pick, that was the consensus number 1 at the time. This isn't a guy who backed up Matt Leinart in college. He played, and he played well. And again, this is a what have you done for me lately league. Alex has grown immensely in the last 2-3 years and has shown he has the ability to make the plays, make the throws, use his legs, and win when the game is on the line.

This is the new face of the franchise. Join me in optimism. Let this Kingdom stand tall, and proud, and root our warriors onto victory. We have our field general. And he's proven recently that he has the ability to lead our troops to victory.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-28-2013, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Come on. The Chiefs were on the Top Five offensively from 2002-2005. The offense and Trent Green were hardly the problem.

If you'd like to place blame, place it on the fact the Carl Peterson failed to provide Green and the Chiefs with young perimeter weapons.

Morton and Kennison were hardly elite.

Why can't people just realize that these are answers with multiple factors?

None of that excuses Green's ineptitude in the RZ or in the two minute drill. If he had the 85 Bears D he still sucked in the clutch.

LinElliott · 02-28-2013, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Come on. The Chiefs were on the Top Five offensively from 2002-2005. The offense and Trent Green were hardly the problem.

If you'd like to place blame, place it on the fact the Carl Peterson failed to provide Green and the Chiefs with young perimeter weapons.

Morton and Kennison were hardly elite.

The Chiefs with Green were held back by an average defense and an injury prone franchise RB. I believe we could've went deep into the playoffs if Holmes could've just stayed healthy.

It didn't help either that when we were hitting our stride that we always ran into a Colts team with Peyton Manning that was just entering his prime.

**Meatloaf** · 02-28-2013, 08:47 PM

I went to Chiefs games when my dad and I sat in the upper endzone and the only other people within 3 sections of us was the upper endzone camera man. Having been there in the 70s, I know what failure looks like......and it does not look like 6 probowlers, a pretty good head coach, and a GM who knows football talent. Not even close.

However, if not exactly the same, failure is a mighty close relative of last year's QB play, head coach, offensive coordinator, GM, etc, etc, etc.

Sorter · 02-28-2013, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

listen, just shut up already. Alex Smith is trash. What the kc fans are sick as hell about is that Reid/Dorsey gave up essentially a first round pick for this guy when what Reid/Dorsey could have done is brought in a FA QB like Matt Moore and be just as good.

Don't be moron. For **** sake.

A Broncos fan is dropping logic on 49ers fans on a Chiefs board that houses a Jaguars troll.

WTF

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-28-2013, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Why can't people just realize that these are answers with multiple factors?

None of that excuses Green's ineptitude in the RZ or in the two minute drill. If he had the 85 Bears D he still sucked in the clutch.

Agree to disagree. While I don't think that Green was Tom Brady, he was certainly good enough to win a Super Bowl.

Keep in mind, if you have confidence in your defense as a QB, you don't need to "press" as much.

Cephalic Trauma · 02-28-2013, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Kaepernick was drafted because Jim Harbaugh came from the college game and saw the benefit of a dual threat QB.

If Harbaugh really felt like replacing Alex Smith was a necessity, he would have chosen him in the first round of 2011, not traded up for him.

Bull ass. IIRC, Harbaugh had Kaep as his #1 rated QB in that draft. But he knew he could get him by trading up in the second.

Hammock Parties · 02-28-2013, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Keep in mind, if you have confidence in your defense as a QB, you don't need to "press" as much.

And when your defense sucks, and allows 24 or more points, YOU LOSE because YOU SUCK as a QB.

Which is what Alex Shit does.

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'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-28-2013, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Agree to disagree. While I don't think that Green was Tom Brady, he was certainly good enough to win a Super Bowl.

Keep in mind, if you have confidence in your defense as a QB, you don't need to "press" as much.

Green was a good QB, but he also failed this team multiple times. History actually helps and hurts him. We give him a free pass while others criticize him too much for the D. Between the 20s he was a top 5 QB, but the game isn't just played there.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-28-2013, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Go to Hell

And when your defense sucks, and allows 24 or more points, YOU LOSE because YOU SUCK as a QB.

Which is what Alex Shit does.

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What's hilarious is that if Smith kicks ass, you'll be leading the bandwagon.

Stop being such a sourpuss.

Hammock Parties · 02-28-2013, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Meatloaf

Alex Smith may end up sucking, but in NO WAY is he gonna suck at Cassel/Quinn levels of suckage.

Really? Why not?

Shit, he's sucked worse before.

It's not like he has accuracy past 15 yards, or an elite arm, or some kind of wunderkind ability to read defenses and anticipate.

He's Ho-Hum Mother****er the IV.

Cephalic Trauma · 02-28-2013, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Go to Hell

Really? Why not?

Shit, he's sucked worse before.

It's not like he has accuracy past 15 yards, or an elite arm, or some kind of wunderkind ability to read defenses and anticipate.

He's Ho-Hum Mother****er the IV.

I'm convinced you bitch just to bitch.

**BossChief** · 02-28-2013, 08:56 PM

Nice to see we came come full circle and we are back to the Trent Green bullshit comparisons.

Alex Smith has had 3 300 yard games.

Trent Green has a ****ton.

It's a shitty trade that hopefully falls flat on it's face sooner rather than later.

Hammock Parties · 02-28-2013, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

What's hilarious is that if Smith kicks ass, you'll be leading the bandwagon.

Stop being such a sourpuss.

Why should I?

When has trading for a game manager QB ever resulted in something good?

When?

I'll stop being a sourpuss if we grab a young QB to kick this asshole off the roster. Until then, this is the pits.

**** Alex Shit.

**Meatloaf** · 02-28-2013, 08:56 PM

Matt Moore = Alex Smith??? I'm not happy about giving up a couple of 2s for Smith, but Moore? Really? Surely you jest.

BTW, I thought Trent Green was a very good QB. The first year he was here his receivers were awful. I remember time and again when he'd throw it to a spot and the receiver would break the other way. Then, as they were trotting off the field Green would calmly go over to the receiver and have a quick session of the play - my bet was that Green was correct and that Snoop Minnis (or some other such lackluster receiver) was probably not. Anyway, Green took the heat, but in my view, he had one horrid receiving crew that first year.

Hammock Parties · 02-28-2013, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma

I'm convinced you bitch just to bitch.

I loved the Reid hire, so go **** yourself.

02-28-2013, 08:47 PM	#333
Meatloaf Supporter Join Date: Feb 2013 Casino cash: $3990359	I went to Chiefs games when my dad and I sat in the upper endzone and the only other people within 3 sections of us was the upper endzone camera man. Having been there in the 70s, I know what failure looks like......and it does not look like 6 probowlers, a pretty good head coach, and a GM who knows football talent. Not even close. However, if not exactly the same, failure is a mighty close relative of last year's QB play, head coach, offensive coordinator, GM, etc, etc, etc.
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BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $1404088	Nice to see we came come full circle and we are back to the Trent Green bullshit comparisons. Alex Smith has had 3 300 yard games. Trent Green has a ****ton. It's a shitty trade that hopefully falls flat on it's face sooner rather than later. __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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02-28-2013, 08:56 PM	#344
Meatloaf Supporter Join Date: Feb 2013 Casino cash: $3990359	Matt Moore = Alex Smith??? I'm not happy about giving up a couple of 2s for Smith, but Moore? Really? Surely you jest. BTW, I thought Trent Green was a very good QB. The first year he was here his receivers were awful. I remember time and again when he'd throw it to a spot and the receiver would break the other way. Then, as they were trotting off the field Green would calmly go over to the receiver and have a quick session of the play - my bet was that Green was correct and that Snoop Minnis (or some other such lackluster receiver) was probably not. Anyway, Green took the heat, but in my view, he had one horrid receiving crew that first year.
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