Keep f***ing doubting Alex Smith

[Hammock Parties]

The title of the thread says it all....

**** you doubters. He plays with heart, and he continues to get the job done. You people who bash Alex, I don't even consider true fans. He plays his heart out every week, and you continue to bash him...

Keep bashing him, I'll keep backing him.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Jakemall

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taDd19Bf2fM

That was cheesy..I know..but that was a sample of some throws that he has made in the past...

But just in case you say, well that was when he was a niner...

I want to see MORE of that stuff. You see some of the plays Smith can make and know he is physically capable of making them. But he doesn't do it consistently. His offense stalls out a lot because of it.

It's what I'm waiting to see. I want to see that QB more, and the timid guy who won't throw to guys unless they're WIDE WIDE open (or unless his back is against the wall) far less.

People should not get so offended that not everybody believes he can just turn that switch on and off at will.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Don't take it personally SNR, it's just that some of the incessant whining going on about upgrading the QB position after three games into the 2013 season (games which have been won, by the way), is more than a little stupid all things considered.

The offensive line has been crap in both run blocking and pass protection.

The tight end situation, which is featured prominently in Reid's offense, is atrocious.

Our receiving corps outside of Bowe is miserable. (And defenses know this as Bowe has been double covered almost constantly since the opening whistle of game one.)

And, Andy Reid's west coast option offense is short to mid-field based. It's an offense that is based on ball control, field position, high percentage passing.

And yet, despite all of this, the Chiefs are still 3-0, with a lot of that to do with Smiths ability to direct and sustain timely drives.

3-0.

And yet I've read in this thread multiple times that we'll never be really successful in the playoffs unless we've got a guy like Matt Stafford.

Well, how about just getting to the ****ing playoffs? Do the negativists have any conceptualization about how ****ing bad the Chiefs have been with regard to even getting into the playoffs the past 20 years? And now you want to actually replace the QB who has only played three games with the team in a new system with the deficiencies listed above and still has the team at 3-0?!?!

Yeah, it makes one look reactionary and objectively ignorant to criticize him and call for his replacement already, especially because of . Hell, look at the San Fran fans who were happy as all hell to jettison Smith for Kaepernick. How's that working out for them so far in 2013?

Like I've said numerous times before, if you want to watch and root for a QB and team who love pushing it down the field, giving you that vertical game many so apparently yearn for, then the Detroit Lions would love you as a fan. Stafford to Johnson absolutely provides what the Smith antagonists desire.

Look man, there's a difference between WANTING to replace him and saying "I'd replace him if..."

I'm open to Alex Smith as the long-term QB here IF he is more aggressive and the offense progresses more under him. IF he overcomes some of the hyper-conservative tendencies that hold him back in a lot of spots.

I want them to look at an upgrade IF he doesn't improve. IF he continues to be what he has been so far this year and in the past 2 years. Because that really isn't good enough in most years to get to the ultimate prize. So why tie long term to a guy like that?

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I want to see MORE of that stuff. You see some of the plays Smith can make and know he is physically capable of making them. But he doesn't do it consistently. His offense stalls out a lot because of it.

It's what I'm waiting to see. I want to see that QB more, and the timid guy who won't throw to guys unless they're WIDE WIDE open (or unless his back is against the wall) far less.

People should not get so offended that not everybody believes he can just turn that switch on and off at will.

He makes them when he has to make them.

Why force balls into coverage when it's not needed?

It's something that I like to call calculated efficiency. I use the term at work all the time in order to help people understand that sometimes doing more doesn't equate to doing better. Do the best that you can as it relates to the situation at hand and it usually ends up being the correct thing every single time.

In Smith's case, if it's not required, why potentially put the defense and special teams in a bad situation? The answer is - you don't, you shouldn't. With the offense controlling the time of possession and allowing the special teams keeping the field position battle decisively in favor of the Chiefs, it allows the defense to play ultra-aggressive on a short field. That has netted the Chiefs a substantial increase in sacks, QB pressures, turnovers, etc., which has, in turn, allowed the Chiefs offense to play a relatively pressure free, conservative, ball control type of game that, in a turn upon a turn, keeps special teams in a good position to control the field and the defense fresh so that they can continue to apply aggressive pressure for the entire game.

It's about utilizing all three aspects of the football team in order to create a synergistic, homogenized blend of total team football. That's what wins games - making sure that all three aspects are playing to their potential and utilizing their strengths appropriately.

Calculated efficiency.

And it's got the Chiefs 3-0.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by SNR

There's a difference between forcing the ball into tight windows and throwing the ball into tight windows because you can.

We don't know which one Alex Smith is. He hasn't done anything like it yet in Kansas City

I thought the TD to Hemingway was in a tight window.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Look man, there's a difference between WANTING to replace him and saying "I'd replace him if..."

I'm open to Alex Smith as the long-term QB here IF he is more aggressive and the offense progresses more under him. IF he overcomes some of the hyper-conservative tendencies that hold him back in a lot of spots.

I want them to look at an upgrade IF he doesn't improve. IF he continues to be what he has been so far this year and in the past 2 years. Because that really isn't good enough in most years to get to the ultimate prize. So why tie long term to a guy like that?

I'm sorry but I can't equate Smith's record of 22-5-1 as a starter over the past three years with your mindset of "holding him back."

And in terms of upgrade, tell me who you think would upgrade that 22-5-1 record?

It's about results, not trying to impress Jimmy Joe Six-pack Fan with 50 yard bombs.

And 22-5-1 and what should have been a Super Bowl appearance in 2011 if not for TWO special teams fumbles is the ultimate prize.

I fail to see where you are being objective about this versus superfluous. You want fancy downfield passing. Reid wants wins via a controlled offense. Reid went out and got the guy who absolutely fits his system and can execute it to a "T." And wins gets you into the playoffs, which allows you a shot at the ultimate prize.

[bunger]

Hey,time is on the Chiefs side right now.
Reid knows how to allow his starting QB to make adjustments when he sees fit.
Now is not the time,yet.
As this season progresses,Reid will ask AS,"Hey,think you can handle this next game on your own for a few series"?
AS"Coach if you're willing,I hope to not disappoint".
Sure,that said is all speculation,AS has been in the league a bit of time now and he has to be learning something.
We stand 3-0.
That in itself is there only because of the D..
Man,been sooo long to have seen a QB not make the mistakes of his previous .

[Mav]

Originally Posted by philfree

I thought the TD to Hemingway was in a tight window.

The avery throw aside, I still love that Hemmingway pass more.

That was just an absolute perfect pass.

[warrior]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I'm sorry but I can't equate Smith's record of 22-5-1 as a starter over the past three years with your mindset of "holding him back."

And in terms of upgrade, tell me who you think would upgrade that 22-5-1 record?

It's about results, not trying to impress Jimmy Joe Six-pack Fan with 50 yard bombs.

And 22-5-1 and what should have been a Super Bowl appearance in 2011 if not for TWO special teams fumbles is the ultimate prize.

I fail to see where you are being objective about this versus superfluous. You want fancy downfield passing. Reid wants wins via a controlled offense. Reid went out and got the guy who absolutely fits his system and can execute it to a "T." And wins gets you into the playoffs, which allows you a shot at the ultimate prize.

Man Sac that's the third excellent post Ive read of yours today all were well thought out and two the point you've Explained want Ried wants to do and why he wanted Alex good work.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I'm sorry but I can't equate Smith's record of 22-5-1 as a starter over the past three years with your mindset of "holding him back."

And in terms of upgrade, tell me who you think would upgrade that 22-5-1 record?

It's about results, not trying to impress Jimmy Joe Six-pack Fan with 50 yard bombs.

And 22-5-1 and what should have been a Super Bowl appearance in 2011 if not for TWO special teams fumbles is the ultimate prize.

I fail to see where you are being objective about this versus superfluous. You want fancy downfield passing. Reid wants wins via a controlled offense. Reid went out and got the guy who absolutely fits his system and can execute it to a "T." And wins gets you into the playoffs, which allows you a shot at the ultimate prize.

You don't know what "I want." I've said several times, it is not about throwing the ball downfield. It is about more consistently making the tough throws. I don't want a mad bomber. I want a guy who will make the tough throws more often on 3rd down. Who will throw to a guy with a half-step of separation more consistently. Alex Smith can BE that guy. Andy Reid wants him to be that guy (see the talking points about wanting him to be more aggressive that dominated TC). We have even seen 6-10 flashes of that so far this season.

You know what else would have landed Alex Smith in the Super Bowl in 2011? Not being a piece of shit on 3rd down and making some aggressive throws when receivers weren't WIDE WIDE open so they had a better shot at moving the chains.

And as for the record... it's a paper tiger, somewhat. Would Smith's style of play been sufficient to win that many games when not paired with elite defenses? If say, he'd had the 15th-best defense in the league rather than a top 5 unit?

At the end of the day, Alex Smith's current level of play makes him about the 15th best QB in the league. That's not bad, but it isn't great, either. Why not be open to an upgrade if Smith doesn't improve?

I'm willing to change my mind, if Smith starts leading a more dynamic and consistent offense. I'm even open to believing the 15th-best QB is good enough to win in the playoffs with this defense IF we see it.

I just need to see one of two things:

1) Better, more aggressive play from Smith in the right spots
2) Playoff success (because of Smith, not in spite of him)

If either of those things happen, I'll stop being anxious about the QB spot. Until then...

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

He makes them when he has to make them.

Like on January 22, 2011? How often did he make them then?

[Jakemall]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I want to see MORE of that stuff. You see some of the plays Smith can make and know he is physically capable of making them. But he doesn't do it consistently. His offense stalls out a lot because of it.

It's what I'm waiting to see. I want to see that QB more, and the timid guy who won't throw to guys unless they're WIDE WIDE open (or unless his back is against the wall) far less.

People should not get so offended that not everybody believes he can just turn that switch on and off at will.

I understand what you're saying and I want to see more of it too, when it is needed. I was addressing the "forcing vs being able to" and the not seeing it.

I've seen Alex do it a couple of times in KC and more (obviously) in SF. I've always viewed Alex to be the grinder type. The kind that takes as small of risks as needed in order to achieve the goal. When larger risks are required, he seems to have no problem doing it. I guess that will be proven as time goes on and those situations come and he does or doesn't get it done.

I seem to remember Alex being more of a risk taker early in his career and then starting to shy away from it. I also remember him making a comment along the lines of, "when I first came to this team, I tried to do everything and be everything to everyone. When I started to play within the confines of what we are as a team, I started to see success."

[Saccopoo]

I just need to see one of two things:

1) Better, more aggressive play from Smith in the right spots
2) Playoff success (because of Smith, not in spite of him)

If either of those things happen, I'll stop being anxious about the QB spot. Until then...

You know what I need to see:

1. Wins

which equate to

2. Playoff appearances

As long as the team wins, I don't give a rat's fart how it happens.

And all I know is that this team is 3-0.

And anyone who is bitching about QB play on a team that's 3-0 after going through what was unquestionably the worst decade ever in the team's history can get crucified on an aids tree, have diesel and detergent poured all over them and then get lit on fire.

Especially QB play behind a ****ing horribly performing offensive line after suffering for a decade of QB's whipping into the fetal position when they thought that they heard footsteps.

Seriously...if you are "anxious" about what Smith has provided thus far, you need to take a ****ing Xanax with a bottle of wine and chill the **** out and just enjoy the wins. For once.

[Hammock Parties]

Is detergent flammable?

[Alex Smiff]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Like on January 22, 2011? How often did he make them then?

That game doesn't count. Just like all the other games where he looked like ass.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

He makes them when he has to make them.

Why force balls into coverage when it's not needed?

It's something that I like to call calculated efficiency. I use the term at work all the time in order to help people understand that sometimes doing more doesn't equate to doing better. Do the best that you can as it relates to the situation at hand and it usually ends up being the correct thing every single time.

In Smith's case, if it's not required, why potentially put the defense and special teams in a bad situation? The answer is - you don't, you shouldn't. With the offense controlling the time of possession and allowing the special teams keeping the field position battle decisively in favor of the Chiefs, it allows the defense to play ultra-aggressive on a short field. That has netted the Chiefs a substantial increase in sacks, QB pressures, turnovers, etc., which has, in turn, allowed the Chiefs offense to play a relatively pressure free, conservative, ball control type of game that, in a turn upon a turn, keeps special teams in a good position to control the field and the defense fresh so that they can continue to apply aggressive pressure for the entire game.

It's about utilizing all three aspects of the football team in order to create a synergistic, homogenized blend of total team football. That's what wins games - making sure that all three aspects are playing to their potential and utilizing their strengths appropriately.

Calculated efficiency.

And it's got the Chiefs 3-0.

another brilliant post... thank you.

Me thinks people are tainted from fantasy football. They are demanding more and more constant aggression and dazzling stats. FF has poisoned their small minds.