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RunKC · 02-16-2013, 05:29 PM

No clear quarterback choice for Chiefs in the draft
By ADAM TEICHER
Kansas City Star
Published Saturday, Feb. 16, 2013, at 3:36 p.m.
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Pros and cons
Matt Barkley, 6-2, 230, USC: Superb leadership skills, the first one at practice or meetings and the last one to leave. But his arm strength is suspect. May be a system fit.

Mike Glennon, 6-7, 220, North Carolina State: Strong arm. He’s easily able to make all the necessary throws. But a lack of mobility could be a problem against a strong pass rush.

Ryan Nassib, 6-2, 225, Syracuse: Good mobility and throws well on the run. But he’s a late-bloomer who might need more seasoning before he’s ready for the NFL.

Geno Smith, 6-3, 210, West Virginia: Has best ability of all the top prospects. Was durable in college, but he’s not an imposing specimen. So how will he hold up in the NFL?

Tyler Wilson, 6-2, 220, Arkansas: Will stand in and take a hit but still make an accurate throw. But he’s short for an ideal NFL quarterback and has small hands, which could lead to fumbling problems.

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — The Chiefs spent the last several days setting their draft board in preparation for this week’s NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. The process merely confirmed for new general manager John Dorsey that when it comes to quarterbacks, their homework is only starting.

Opinions on the top available quarterbacks in this year’s draft are that varied.

“There is no quarterback where personnel guys can definitely say, ‘He’s a first-round pick,’ ” Dorsey said. “There were so many inconsistencies in the collective group. There was not one guy that stood up and said, ‘I’m the guy in the position this year.’ There really wasn’t one clear-cut guy.

“There are too many technical flaws, scheme flaws. There are so many different variables that there are a lot of people all over the place on naming the top four or five guys and who those guys would be.”

The Chiefs aren’t the only team having trouble sorting through the top quarterback prospects. From the natural ability of West Virginia’s Geno Smith to the smooth leadership skills of USC’s Matt Barkley to the willingness to take a hit in the face of a strong pass rush of Arkansas’ Tyler Wilson, there are plenty of things to like.

There are reasons to pause just the same. Smith faltered late last fall against better competition. Barkley and Wilson had disappointing, injury-marred senior seasons.

This is a particular problem for teams like the Chiefs, who have a gaping need at quarterback. Dorsey didn’t say so specifically, but he didn’t sound like the Chiefs were planning to take a quarterback with the first pick in this year’s draft.

More likely, the Chiefs will select a quarterback later in the draft — if they take one at all.

Dorsey said both he and coach Andy Reid would be in attendance at the workouts of most, if not all, of the top available quarterbacks.

“I think Andy is a really good evaluator of quarterbacks,” Dorsey said. “I want him and I to go to as many quarterback workouts as possible and actually set our own up.”

The quarterback rankings for last year’s draft were determined almost a year in advance. Stanford’s Andrew Luck was a consensus choice to be the top player selected as soon as the 2011 draft was finished. Baylor’s Robert Griffin III came on as a senior to win the Heisman Trophy and make the race interesting, but in the end, Luck was selected first by Indianapolis. Griffin was taken with the next pick by Washington.

“Last year was an easy evaluation,” draft analyst Mel Kiper said. “Automatically, you put Andrew Luck and RG III up there.”

This year, quarterback ratings are scattered. Some teams like Smith, but others have different favorites, like Barkley, Wilson, North Carolina State’s Mike Glennon or Syracuse’s Ryan Nassib.

“The year didn’t go the way Barkley and the USC Trojans hoped,” Kiper said. “He began the year number one on my big board. You saw what happened with USC. They lost four games with Barkley at quarterback and lost a couple more when he was hurt. They didn’t have a signature win all year. They dropped down the rankings from number one and he dropped down the rankings from number one.

“Geno Smith started out great. It looked like after Barkley struggled you could lock Geno Smith in. Then he has a disappointing second half of the season, so there are issues in terms of what type of starting quarterback he can be. Glennon was hot for a while even though he had a subpar supporting cast, and he didn’t play great (in the bowl game) against Vanderbilt and didn’t have a wow-you-over Senior Bowl week.

“Things didn’t fall into place at Arkansas, and that affected Tyler Wilson. The wheels came off for all the quarterbacks at some point (last) year. Things just didn’t fall right to allow them to maximize their ability. That’s why the teams are right now in the predicament they are, trying to figure this whole quarterback thing out and not overdraft or push a guy up when he’s not deserving.”

Kiper doesn’t have a quarterback rated among his top 25 players. In fact, in his latest mock draft, Kiper doesn’t have a single quarterback being selected in the first round.

“It’s just a tough evaluation, trying to figure out which quarterbacks in this draft, if any, will be great starting quarterbacks,” he said.

Dorsey said he expects at least two quarterbacks to be drafted in the first round because so many teams have a need. It’s a matter, though, of which ones.

Things could solidify in the next couple of months. The draft doesn’t begin until April 25. Meanwhile, the combine begins this week, followed by pro days on college campuses and then individual workouts.

To Dorsey, at least, personal interviews might be the most important part of the postseason draft process. He said a quarterback can improve his draft standing with a series of strong interviews.

“The most impressive interview I’ve ever had in the last 25 years of doing this? Russell Wilson,” said Dorsey, referring to the quarterback drafted by Seattle last year in the third round. “Wasn’t even close. You could feel that guy as a person, how strong he was, how intellectually deep he was, how mentally tough he was, that he had the charisma to lead other players. I always try to look at kids like I’m in the locker room and I’m a teammate. It was easy to see this guy leading a team.

“A quarterback wants to come across in the interview process as confident, as having a vast understanding and knowledge of defenses, as being capable of leading a group of men. That’s what you’ve got to convey to the teams. On film, his physical traits and skills will come out. But you have to over the next few weeks impress on teams the character of his soul, his ability to lead a franchise.”

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**The Bad Guy** · 02-16-2013, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GoWalrus

Do you really think taking any other position helps this team?

Acting like R1 QBs have bandoliers of C4 attached to their chests is hilarious.

The risk-reward makes incredible sense this year. Star, Milliner, Joeckel...they can't help this team.

What a ****ing ridiculous post.

Yes, I think other players besides a QB can help a 2-14 team.

Jesus ****ing christ.

Do I want them over a QB, no, but there's other players that can help a garbage team.

**The Bad Guy** · 02-16-2013, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Not necessarily, since Joekel is getting alot of love there may be a team that will shell a shitton of picks KC's way.

LOL.

tk13 · 02-16-2013, 08:32 PM

If one of these guys interviews really well, Dorsey might very well take him.

All this says so far is Dorsey has watched the tape, and he's not blown away. They haven't even seen most of these guys in person yet.

O.city · 02-16-2013, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Not necessarily, since Joekel is getting alot of love there may be a team that will shell a shitton of picks KC's way.

By saying you want to and are planning on signing Albert, then saying this pretty much says you aren't draft Joeckel, so you would be calling the Jags in that case.

O.city · 02-16-2013, 08:34 PM

Milliner helps this team a ton, he's a great potential pair with Flowers.

Star is a big space eater with not much pass rush at this point. Leary of that.

**Tribal Warfare** · 02-16-2013, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

By saying you want to and are planning on signing Albert, then saying this pretty much says you aren't draft Joeckel, so you would be calling the Jags in that case.

Or the Jags could snag Joeckel in the same manner. As I said before KC's going to pick a QB in the 1st until something tangible happens like a trade for another teams QB.

RunKC · 02-16-2013, 08:37 PM

“The most impressive interview I’ve ever had in the last 25 years of doing this? Russell Wilson,” said Dorsey, referring to the quarterback drafted by Seattle last year in the third round. “Wasn’t even close. You could feel that guy as a person, how strong he was, how intellectually deep he was, how mentally tough he was, that he had the charisma to lead other players. I always try to look at kids like I’m in the locker room and I’m a teammate. It was easy to see this guy leading a team.

“A quarterback wants to come across in the interview process as confident, as having a vast understanding and knowledge of defenses, as being capable of leading a group of men. That’s what you’ve got to convey to the teams. On film, his physical traits and skills will come out. But you have to over the next few weeks impress on teams the character of his soul, his ability to lead a franchise.”

I think Tyler Wilson will be that guy in the interview. I can't wait for next week.

milkman · 02-16-2013, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

“The most impressive interview I’ve ever had in the last 25 years of doing this? Russell Wilson,” said Dorsey, referring to the quarterback drafted by Seattle last year in the third round. “Wasn’t even close. You could feel that guy as a person, how strong he was, how intellectually deep he was, how mentally tough he was, that he had the charisma to lead other players. I always try to look at kids like I’m in the locker room and I’m a teammate. It was easy to see this guy leading a team.

“A quarterback wants to come across in the interview process as confident, as having a vast understanding and knowledge of defenses, as being capable of leading a group of men. That’s what you’ve got to convey to the teams. On film, his physical traits and skills will come out. But you have to over the next few weeks impress on teams the character of his soul, his ability to lead a franchise.”

I think Tyler Wilson will be that guy in the interview. I can't wait for next week.

Wow.
Completely biased.

Matt Barkley is easily the most charismatic of this group.

RunKC · 02-16-2013, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Wow.
Completely biased.

Matt Barkley is easily the most charismatic of this group.

I can see that being the case as well.

NJChiefsFan · 02-16-2013, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoWalrus

Do you really think taking any other position helps this team?

Acting like R1 QBs have bandoliers of C4 attached to their chests is hilarious.

The risk-reward makes incredible sense this year. Star, Milliner, Joeckel...they can't help this team.

Milliner would almost certainly help this team. The position is a big need. It's really just an issue of taking him at 1.1 because they didn't like a QB. IF Dorsey is dead set against taking a QB, then trading down to 3 or 4 and taking Milliner would be my hope.

I'm not really sure why Dorsey said this. Regardless of what he believes, I don't see how saying this helps the Chiefs in any way. If it doesn't help, why say it?

BigChiefFan · 02-16-2013, 08:57 PM

This franchise could **** up a wet dream. Good Lord. They better stay put and draft Geno. Enough is enough.

OrtonsPiercedTaint · 02-16-2013, 09:01 PM

Do you want to be drafted #1 over all? Then earn it bitch. Dorsey has some nerve....

chiefzilla1501 · 02-16-2013, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Well, first I'm not Geno or die. But I am QB or bust.

You know why? Because for the first time EVER we have complete control. We don't have to settle for Sanchez because Stafford is already gone. We don't have to hope for a coin flip to see if we have a shot at Matt Ryan.

We can take anybody we want and it better damn well be a QB.

As for Geno, I've watched dozens of hours of his games. You can trust whoever you want - I trust my own eyes and experience. He's legit and he's absolutely worth the #1 pick.

I get that. Sorry, but it pisses me off a lot that this thread has turned into an ultimatum that Dorsey is somehow a douche bag or is an incompetent prick stealing credit in green bay.

If he decides not to pick geno, I understand if people want to measure Dorsey's career on how his qb pick does vs geno. We all should. But the agenda of this thread to suddenly piss on our gm because he may not like our guy is overreactive nonsense.

okcchief · 02-16-2013, 09:02 PM

It's hard to say who the best player in this draft is. I don't think they have decided on shit yet, and could change their mind 50 times between now, and then. I like the Reid hire, and I like the Dorsey hire. I think most people here did. If you did you have trust them with at least their first draft and hope it works out. Kind of up to Geno to go steal the show at this point. If a QB looks good I believe he'll be the pick.

O.city · 02-16-2013, 09:09 PM

I think alot of the pissed offness comes from the fact that we haven't drafted any QB in teh first in 30 years, we've passed on all pro's at that position, we've been just out of reach of guys alot, we've been told to "wait till next year".

It's just all culminated into one big hurricane full of jaded ****s (me being included, not singling anyone out).

02-16-2013, 05:29 PM
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $1799611	Dorsey: There is no definite first round QB No clear quarterback choice for Chiefs in the draft By ADAM TEICHER Kansas City Star Published Saturday, Feb. 16, 2013, at 3:36 p.m. 0 CommentsEmailPrintReprints Pros and cons Matt Barkley, 6-2, 230, USC: Superb leadership skills, the first one at practice or meetings and the last one to leave. But his arm strength is suspect. May be a system fit. Mike Glennon, 6-7, 220, North Carolina State: Strong arm. He’s easily able to make all the necessary throws. But a lack of mobility could be a problem against a strong pass rush. Ryan Nassib, 6-2, 225, Syracuse: Good mobility and throws well on the run. But he’s a late-bloomer who might need more seasoning before he’s ready for the NFL. Geno Smith, 6-3, 210, West Virginia: Has best ability of all the top prospects. Was durable in college, but he’s not an imposing specimen. So how will he hold up in the NFL? Tyler Wilson, 6-2, 220, Arkansas: Will stand in and take a hit but still make an accurate throw. But he’s short for an ideal NFL quarterback and has small hands, which could lead to fumbling problems. KANSAS CITY, Mo. — The Chiefs spent the last several days setting their draft board in preparation for this week’s NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. The process merely confirmed for new general manager John Dorsey that when it comes to quarterbacks, their homework is only starting. Opinions on the top available quarterbacks in this year’s draft are that varied. “There is no quarterback where personnel guys can definitely say, ‘He’s a first-round pick,’ ” Dorsey said. “There were so many inconsistencies in the collective group. There was not one guy that stood up and said, ‘I’m the guy in the position this year.’ There really wasn’t one clear-cut guy. “There are too many technical flaws, scheme flaws. There are so many different variables that there are a lot of people all over the place on naming the top four or five guys and who those guys would be.” The Chiefs aren’t the only team having trouble sorting through the top quarterback prospects. From the natural ability of West Virginia’s Geno Smith to the smooth leadership skills of USC’s Matt Barkley to the willingness to take a hit in the face of a strong pass rush of Arkansas’ Tyler Wilson, there are plenty of things to like. There are reasons to pause just the same. Smith faltered late last fall against better competition. Barkley and Wilson had disappointing, injury-marred senior seasons. This is a particular problem for teams like the Chiefs, who have a gaping need at quarterback. Dorsey didn’t say so specifically, but he didn’t sound like the Chiefs were planning to take a quarterback with the first pick in this year’s draft. More likely, the Chiefs will select a quarterback later in the draft — if they take one at all. Dorsey said both he and coach Andy Reid would be in attendance at the workouts of most, if not all, of the top available quarterbacks. “I think Andy is a really good evaluator of quarterbacks,” Dorsey said. “I want him and I to go to as many quarterback workouts as possible and actually set our own up.” The quarterback rankings for last year’s draft were determined almost a year in advance. Stanford’s Andrew Luck was a consensus choice to be the top player selected as soon as the 2011 draft was finished. Baylor’s Robert Griffin III came on as a senior to win the Heisman Trophy and make the race interesting, but in the end, Luck was selected first by Indianapolis. Griffin was taken with the next pick by Washington. “Last year was an easy evaluation,” draft analyst Mel Kiper said. “Automatically, you put Andrew Luck and RG III up there.” This year, quarterback ratings are scattered. Some teams like Smith, but others have different favorites, like Barkley, Wilson, North Carolina State’s Mike Glennon or Syracuse’s Ryan Nassib. “The year didn’t go the way Barkley and the USC Trojans hoped,” Kiper said. “He began the year number one on my big board. You saw what happened with USC. They lost four games with Barkley at quarterback and lost a couple more when he was hurt. They didn’t have a signature win all year. They dropped down the rankings from number one and he dropped down the rankings from number one. “Geno Smith started out great. It looked like after Barkley struggled you could lock Geno Smith in. Then he has a disappointing second half of the season, so there are issues in terms of what type of starting quarterback he can be. Glennon was hot for a while even though he had a subpar supporting cast, and he didn’t play great (in the bowl game) against Vanderbilt and didn’t have a wow-you-over Senior Bowl week. “Things didn’t fall into place at Arkansas, and that affected Tyler Wilson. The wheels came off for all the quarterbacks at some point (last) year. Things just didn’t fall right to allow them to maximize their ability. That’s why the teams are right now in the predicament they are, trying to figure this whole quarterback thing out and not overdraft or push a guy up when he’s not deserving.” Kiper doesn’t have a quarterback rated among his top 25 players. In fact, in his latest mock draft, Kiper doesn’t have a single quarterback being selected in the first round. “It’s just a tough evaluation, trying to figure out which quarterbacks in this draft, if any, will be great starting quarterbacks,” he said. Dorsey said he expects at least two quarterbacks to be drafted in the first round because so many teams have a need. It’s a matter, though, of which ones. Things could solidify in the next couple of months. The draft doesn’t begin until April 25. Meanwhile, the combine begins this week, followed by pro days on college campuses and then individual workouts. To Dorsey, at least, personal interviews might be the most important part of the postseason draft process. He said a quarterback can improve his draft standing with a series of strong interviews. “The most impressive interview I’ve ever had in the last 25 years of doing this? Russell Wilson,” said Dorsey, referring to the quarterback drafted by Seattle last year in the third round. “Wasn’t even close. You could feel that guy as a person, how strong he was, how intellectually deep he was, how mentally tough he was, that he had the charisma to lead other players. I always try to look at kids like I’m in the locker room and I’m a teammate. It was easy to see this guy leading a team. “A quarterback wants to come across in the interview process as confident, as having a vast understanding and knowledge of defenses, as being capable of leading a group of men. That’s what you’ve got to convey to the teams. On film, his physical traits and skills will come out. But you have to over the next few weeks impress on teams the character of his soul, his ability to lead a franchise.” Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/2013/02/16/267...#storylink=cpy
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02-16-2013, 08:32 PM	#333
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1542500	If one of these guys interviews really well, Dorsey might very well take him. All this says so far is Dorsey has watched the tape, and he's not blown away. They haven't even seen most of these guys in person yet.
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2374064	Milliner helps this team a ton, he's a great potential pair with Flowers. Star is a big space eater with not much pass rush at this point. Leary of that.
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02-16-2013, 08:37 PM	#337
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $1799611	“The most impressive interview I’ve ever had in the last 25 years of doing this? Russell Wilson,” said Dorsey, referring to the quarterback drafted by Seattle last year in the third round. “Wasn’t even close. You could feel that guy as a person, how strong he was, how intellectually deep he was, how mentally tough he was, that he had the charisma to lead other players. I always try to look at kids like I’m in the locker room and I’m a teammate. It was easy to see this guy leading a team. “A quarterback wants to come across in the interview process as confident, as having a vast understanding and knowledge of defenses, as being capable of leading a group of men. That’s what you’ve got to convey to the teams. On film, his physical traits and skills will come out. But you have to over the next few weeks impress on teams the character of his soul, his ability to lead a franchise.” I think Tyler Wilson will be that guy in the interview. I can't wait for next week. __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Jared Wiley
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BigChiefFan MVP Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: In the Top 10 Casino cash: $9924205	This franchise could **** up a wet dream. Good Lord. They better stay put and draft Geno. Enough is enough. __________________ A 35 year drought can make you thirsty.
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02-16-2013, 09:01 PM	#342
OrtonsPiercedTaint MVP Join Date: Dec 2012 Casino cash: $10004980	Do you want to be drafted #1 over all? Then earn it bitch. Dorsey has some nerve....
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02-16-2013, 09:02 PM	#344
okcchief MVP Join Date: Jul 2008 Casino cash: $9849890	It's hard to say who the best player in this draft is. I don't think they have decided on shit yet, and could change their mind 50 times between now, and then. I like the Reid hire, and I like the Dorsey hire. I think most people here did. If you did you have trust them with at least their first draft and hope it works out. Kind of up to Geno to go steal the show at this point. If a QB looks good I believe he'll be the pick.
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02-16-2013, 09:09 PM	#345
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2374064	I think alot of the pissed offness comes from the fact that we haven't drafted any QB in teh first in 30 years, we've passed on all pro's at that position, we've been just out of reach of guys alot, we've been told to "wait till next year". It's just all culminated into one big hurricane full of jaded ****s (me being included, not singling anyone out).
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