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Old 10-14-2013, 09:02 AM  
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Costas: Redskins 'an insult, a slur'
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Old 10-23-2013, 10:35 AM   #331
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Was it called "Darkie Servant" before "Aunt Jemima's"?
No.

It's a name associated with racism. They decided not to change it. They're a business - whatever PR they get falls on them.

I do disagree with government (schools) having any such names...
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Old 10-23-2013, 10:35 AM   #332
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If the Cleveland Indians change the logo away from Chief Wahoo, are you going to get offended by that, Reerun?

Is Chief Wahoo a part of your heritage, too?
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Old 10-23-2013, 10:35 AM   #333
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Dude, I grew up near reservations. I went to school with people named "Two Bears" and "Yellow Bird" and "Running Tree"

I also grew up with people who hated those kids. And yes, they called them "Redskins" a few times, among other things.

How often do you or have you ever interacted with Native Americans? The real ones, not "1/16th Chippewa" white people.
I'm an expert on American Indians. I've seen most of John Wayne's westerns and I've gambled in more than one Indian-owned casino.

And what I lack in personal exposure to anti-Indian hatred, I make up for with common sense and a lack of bias.

Does your upbringing explain why you're surprised that an NFL team would choose a positive name for itself?
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Old 10-23-2013, 10:36 AM   #334
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"Redskins" aren't a part of your heritage.

The University of Illinois Fighting Illini or the University of North Dakota Fighting Sioux are a different story.

"Redskins" is not those things.
Oh so now you know everything about my family heritage? And you are going to tell me what my heritage is?

Oh this is priceless...


So why are you so compelled to take away from the historical aspect of the Native Indians?
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"Redskins" aren't a part of your heritage.
Yeah, let's get what is and isn't his heritage cleared up for him...
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Old 10-23-2013, 10:38 AM   #336
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If the Cleveland Indians change the logo away from Chief Wahoo, are you going to get offended by that, Reerun?

Is Chief Wahoo a part of your heritage, too?
So you want to defend us by taking away the names that identify history, yet turn around and bash me for defending the American Indian...

Wow dude you are all over the map...

SNR - Look I am looking out for you and dont want you to be offended... And I dont give a flying **** if Chief Wahoo means anything to you or not, its not directly in line with your heritage... Why? Cause I say so, so youre not offended...

LOL Well done hoser...
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Yeah, let's get what is and isn't his heritage cleared up for him...
Hey! one of my best friends is black!
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I'm still waiting for you to explain why a positive use of a term is a slur and why you can use the phrase based on the color of someone's skin like "black man" without being a racist.

I know you can't.
All these chairs you keep throwing in my way before you answer SNR's challenge... are telling. This is now the second thing you've demanding that I respond to until you agree to answer SNR's challenge. The second thing.

If somebody found my usage of the term "black man" in the post you're referring to insensitive or derogatory, than that would be news to me. As I was saying to Rausch earlier, context matters.

But like the n-word, I simply can't imagine a single circumstance in which using the word "redskin" is anything but derogatory. That, along with words like chink and the n-word, make it inherently unacceptable for being the mascot.

That's my response. I am now asking you, for the third time, to respond to SNR's challenge.
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No.

It's a name associated with racism. They decided not to change it. They're a business - whatever PR they get falls on them.

I do disagree with government (schools) having any such names...
Yes, Snyder has every right to keep the name. He owns the product.

This is also a pretty unique product he's putting out there. Even if 40% of the country finds the product offensive, he's still going to have the loyal support of Redskins fans who continue to buy its merchandise.

Aunt Jemima syrup doesn't have "fans" like Daniel Snyder's team does.
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Yes, Snyder has every right to keep the name. He owns the product.

This is also a pretty unique product he's putting out there. Even if 40% of the country finds the product offensive, he's still going to have the loyal support of Redskins fans who continue to buy its merchandise.

Aunt Jemima syrup doesn't have "fans" like Daniel Snyder's team does.
Where are you getting the 40% number from?
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But like the n-word, I simply can't imagine a single circumstance in which using the word "redskin" is anything but derogatory. That, along with words like chink and the n-word, make it inherently unacceptable for being the mascot.
Examples: "That's mah ****er!" Friendly greeting or praise for doing something impressive.

Quite often a black man/woman will use ****er in the place of the word black or African American.
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Yeah, let's get what is and isn't his heritage cleared up for him...
He'll have to "suffer" and be satisfied with the Cleveland Indians, Atlanta Braves, Golden State Warriors, Chicago Blackhawks, and Kansas City Chiefs, I guess.
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Yes, Snyder has every right to keep the name. He owns the product.
End of argument...
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End of argument...
That's not the argument. The argument is SHOULD he change the name.
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