Rap Sheet: Talks With Alex Smith Not Progressing Well

[CaliforniaChief]

Team that will consider a 1st-round QB: The #Chiefs. Negotiations with Alex Smith aren’t progressing well. Must keep long-term options open

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) May 5, 2014

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by O.city

He's the guy to lead this franchise, until he starts asking to be paid like a guy who can lead a franchsie.

We can't ****ing afford it.

Sorry. I'd love to see him get a huge contract and build a swimming pool on his house and fill it with gold coins like Scrooge McDuck.

We have to pay Houston, Berry, and Poe. We're already going to make sacrifices with Flowers and probably Hali next season. Bowe isn't going to see all of the years he signed on his extension, either.

I'd be all in favor of keeping Smith around for that price if he were younger, had less of a concussion/injury history, and had a resume that far more resembled the Indianapolis game instead of the San Francisco Smith. Paying that kind of dough for somebody who has yet to toss more than 30 TDs and 4000 yards in a season is ridiculous. It's ludicrous and dumb and ****tarded. I don't care WHAT style of QBing he is or how efficiently he approaches the position.

When you dole out that kind of money for a QB, you expect him to pull a shit ton of the team's weight in scoring and leading the offense. You expect a Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers kind of workload. Stats don't mean anything until you're paying out the ass for a guy, and when that happens, then you want your guy to be a bigger generator of yardage and points instead of just taking what the defense gives him and letting the playmakers do their jobs.

So no. He's NOT the guy to lead the franchise. Not with the way he plays and for the price he's asking.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by SNR

We can't ****ing afford it.

Sorry. I'd love to see him get a huge contract and build a swimming pool on his house and fill it with gold coins like Scrooge McDuck.

We have to pay Houston, Berry, and Poe. We're already going to make sacrifices with Flowers and probably Hali next season. Bowe isn't going to see all of the years he signed on his extension, either.

I'd be all in favor of keeping Smith around for that price if he were younger, had less of a concussion/injury history, and had a resume that far more resembled the Indianapolis game instead of the San Francisco Smith. Paying that kind of dough for somebody who has yet to toss more than 30 TDs and 4000 yards in a season is ridiculous. It's ludicrous and dumb and ****tarded. I don't care WHAT style of QBing he is or how efficiently he approaches the position.

When you dole out that kind of money for a QB, you expect him to pull a shit ton of the team's weight in scoring and leading the offense. You expect a Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers kind of workload. Stats don't mean anything until you're paying out the ass for a guy, and when that happens, then you want your guy to be a bigger generator of yardage and points instead of just taking what the defense gives him and letting the playmakers do their jobs.

So no. He's NOT the guy to lead the franchise. Not with the way he plays and for the price he's asking.

It's not about what you think or what I think. It's about what the franchise thinks. You wouldn't have made that trade. I wouldn't have made that trade. They did. You wouldn't give him a high dollar contract. I wouldn't, either. But, again, they made the trade. And they've talked about him like they believe he is one of 'those' guys. They're going to get a deal done. It's just a matter of time. You know it as well as I do. That's how these things go. All this public negotiating will go on and then suddenly one morning we'll get up and find out he's under contract until 2020. I don't like it much, but it's what's most likely to happen.

[Marcellus]

Only on CP would there now after all these years be a meltdown over the chance the Chiefs take a QB fairly high in the draft.

Pure awesome.

And nobody knows why the talks aren't progressing, Condon may be playing hardball figuring KC has few options.

That doesn't mean something reasonable doesn't eventually get done, this shit always takes time.

I also cant believe the massive stress over 2 2nd round picks.That's not franchise altering loss unless you really really suck at drafting in all other rounds in which case it still doesn't matter since you suck at drafting.

[BossChief]

Wasn't Cassels deal announced during the draft?

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by BCD

Probably not, but last year's draft class was fairly shitty.

As was 2009.

The more things change with the Chiefs, the more they remain the same.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Only on CP would there now after all these years be a meltdown over the chance the Chiefs take a QB fairly high in the draft.

Pure awesome.

And nobody knows why the talks aren't progressing, Condon may be playing hardball figuring KC has few options.

That doesn't mean something reasonable doesn't eventually get done, this shit always takes time.

I also cant believe the massive stress over 2 2nd round picks.That's not franchise altering loss unless you really really suck at drafting in all other rounds in which case it still doesn't matter since you suck at drafting.

I'm mad and I'm going to post it a 1000 times/CP

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Wasn't Cassels deal announced during the draft?

Middle of July I think.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Wasn't Cassels deal announced during the draft?

No...I believe it was after the draft.

[BossChief]

Maybe it was just the rumor that they had agreed to a long term deal that leaked around the time of the draft.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Only on CP would there now after all these years be a meltdown over the chance the Chiefs take a QB fairly high in the draft.

Pure awesome.

And nobody knows why the talks aren't progressing, Condon may be playing hardball figuring KC has few options.

That doesn't mean something reasonable doesn't eventually get done, this shit always takes time.

I also cant believe the massive stress over 2 2nd round picks.That's not franchise altering loss unless you really really suck at drafting in all other rounds in which case it still doesn't matter since you suck at drafting.

I'm not mad.

I just don't want to sacrifice keeping Houston, Berry, or Poe around longterm just so we can give Smith $100 million.

If drafting a QB lowers the pricetag or becomes the new future, I'm fine with that.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by BossChief

I wouldn't go that far, either.

If it weren't for injuries, that was a pretty good draft class.

Really? Who has proven himself as a quality starter on the team? Am I forgetting someone? You are hoping the injured players end up being starters? We all do, but not even 1.1 has proven himself in my opinion.

Mr. Irrelevant is still the kicker from Piolis first draft, and 1.3 became serviceable albeit not deserving of his slot.

[BossChief]

Last years #23 pick (Shariff Floyd) signed a slotted rookie deal for 4 years 7.6 million dollars.

If we can get one of the top 4 quarterbacks for that type of price tag and pair him with a teacher like Andy Reid, that's a much better option than paying Alex Smith similar to Jay Cutler and I can't imagine anyone arguing otherwise.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by SNR

I'm not mad.

I just don't want to sacrifice keeping Houston, Berry, or Poe around longterm just so we can give Smith $100 million.

If drafting a QB lowers the pricetag or becomes the new future, I'm fine with that.

I want them to draft a quarterback regardless of what they do with Smith. Would love to be the team giving away a backup (or Smith) for a 2nd instead of the team always picking up everybody else's table scraps. Hell, I don't like Aaron Murray at all, but what could possibly be better than, say, picking him up in the 3rd, sitting him for two years to groom and then trading away Alex Smith in 2016 and letting somebody else eat the back 4 years of his contract. Well, I guess Bray turning into something too would be even better, but that's too much to ask.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Only on CP would there now after all these years be a meltdown over the chance the Chiefs take a QB fairly high in the draft.

Pure awesome.

And nobody knows why the talks aren't progressing, Condon may be playing hardball figuring KC has few options.

That doesn't mean something reasonable doesn't eventually get done, this shit always takes time.

I also cant believe the massive stress over 2 2nd round picks.That's not franchise altering loss unless you really really suck at drafting in all other rounds in which case it still doesn't matter since you suck at drafting.

If I thought there was a snow balls chance in hell of the Chiefs actually drafting a QB in the first I would be doing .

But what I am pissed about is them being in this position, with a Tom Condon client, after giving up 2 seconds for a slightly above average QB that helped them get back to slightly above mediocrity and a wild card where he failed.

Now the team is exactly where they were for so many years, drafting too low to take a franchise QB even if they would dare do so.

Been down this road so many times I know which mile marker is coming up next.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

Really? Who has proven himself as a quality starter on the team? Am I forgetting someone? You are hoping the injured players end up being starters? We all do, but not even 1.1 has proven himself in my opinion.

Mr. Irrelevant is still the kicker from Piolis first draft, and 1.3 became serviceable albeit not deserving of his slot.

I'm basing my opinion on what my eyes saw at camp.

Knile Davis looked like a difference maker, as did Kelce. Eric Fisher was getting whooped repeatedly, but part of that was transitioning to the right side and I think he will be more natural on the left side.

Kush and Catapano should both play increased roles and showed against SD that they can play at this level.