Chiefs Put Dorsey's Head On The Chopping Block - Page 23

Direckshun · 09-09-2014, 11:02 AM

It is very, very early in John Dorsey's tenure here, but unless the talent he's acquired magically turns it around by midpoint of the season, I believe we should be shopping for a new GM by the end of the season.

Now, this is a big deal (I would like to think), coming from me. I was among the last defenders on this site of Scott Pioli, and I still think his drafting record here was strong. I believe in the process, in giving GMs extreme leeway and time in shuffling the roster and building a team full of the kind of guys we want.

But Dorsey came in with a plum opportunity. He had the core of a team already built for him (minus the one critical position), the #1 pick in the draft, and a ridiculous amount of free agency cap room to spend, spend, spend.

With these incredible gifts given to him, gifts that any new GM would kill for (rather than the shit sandwich a new GM would get in 2015...), Dorsey took the absolute worst path.

He sacrificed the future of the franchise for a quick playoff run, completely overpaying in offseason talent, hamstringing our budget for 2014 and 2015 so that we let a full quarter of our team's starters walk, including two Pro Bowlers, with zero ability to replace any of the departing talent effectively (with the sole exception of replacing Kendrick Lewis with Husain Abdullah, but even that was a Plan B after Mr. Glass Commings is out for another year).

We were unable to retain Brandon Albert, Brandon Flowers, Ryan Succop, Tyson Jackson, Dexter McCulster, Jon Asamoah and Geoff Schwartz because we had to have Mike DeVito, Chase Daniel, Dunta Robinson, Sean Smith, Donnie Avery, and Anthony Fasano. That is a complete loss on every level, and again, it happened because Dorsey acted like a teenager after receiving his first paycheck rather than the patient, methodical personnel guru he was alleged to be.

The Alex Smith trade was defensible on its own terms, I believe. (We overpayed with the two 2nds, but we overpayed for Bowe and Colquitt, and both of those were defensible as well, as the team was seriously ****ed without the player in question.) But coupled with the Chase Daniel acquisition and this team's continued chickenshit behavior regarding the QB position in the draft, and it once again showed a complete lack of understanding of what it takes to win in a league being skewed further and further away from the Alex Smiths and Matt Cassels of the world. In a league that's continually changing, Dorsey, Reid and Alex Smith are keeping the team stagnant.

Well, less than stagnant, really. The biggest crime of the young John Dorsey era has been the drafting, which has been horrific. It's every bit as obsessed with 40 times and measurables and ignorant of on field performance as the Al Davis regime used to be. We burned the #1 overall pick on a likely bust at tackle. We burned our first this year on a passrusher that isn't helping us win. We burned our third this year on a corner that was worse than Vince Agnew this preseason. And none of our low-round picks are working out, up to and including our UDFAs, where GMs need to distinguish themselves. It's insane to think that Scott Pioli had a better record with UDFAs, which is saying something considering that Pioli only hit on one his entire time here.

I do a ton of mock drafts throughout the year, most of them terrible, but all of them viscerally enjoyable for me to postulate. It's lost a lot of its luster this year, even as we are entering a year with 11 draft picks, because projecting the projects and boom/likely-bust players that Dorsey falls in love with makes the exercise depressing. We end up with a super-young team full of talent that can't see the field, and likely rarely ever will.

I'm willing to change my tune, as I always am, if some of this plan looks to be solid for the future, and not just for the present, by the middle of the season. But it would have to be a dramatic shift for me to feel that way.

That said, we can still end up in a good position here. The Alex Smith contract, which ironically is the best contract Dorsey has signed here, makes Smith expendable if a new GM is brought in at the end of the year. If Andy Reid still wants Alex Smith after a 4-12 season, fire him too. If Andy Reid can't get along with the new GM, fire him. If Andy Reid can't call a winning gameplan in 2015, fire him.

This front office refused to utilize their patience when constructing this roster. In the process, they've lost mine.

Direckshun · 10-28-2014, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Go **** yourself. Do you actually think I form my opinions based on what dipshits like you and Claynus have to say?

I think you take the path of least resistance, yes. But it doesn't matter what I think.

mcaj22 · 10-28-2014, 01:19 AM

there was reasons to not have both feet in the water in the offseason

when your FA haul is Joe Mays and Vance Walker and Emmanuel Sanders punks you for your division rival I think its okay in April for people to be cautious. Nobody wanted to get fooled again like the drink the kool aid Pioli. Dorsey looks like a master now and I and everyone else should have no problem eating crow. I am pleasently surprised by this team and very happy. They look more legit this year as a 4-3 NFL team than the soft 7-0 fools gold they were this time last year. They are competitive and battle tested this year and should now have won everyone over with their ability to hang with ANY QB in this league. Thats all I wanted, and they have given me that in year 2. It makes watching the games fun.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-28-2014, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I think you take the path of least resistance, yes. But it doesn't matter what I think.

I think you're a clueless ****ing moron.

I've posted on another Chiefs website all year long in which I've stated the same things I've stated here, as well as private emails with friends.

Your utter lack of football knowledge is stunning. Maybe you should actually watch an NFL game sometime.

Direckshun · 10-28-2014, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I think you're a clueless ****ing moron.

I've posted on another Chiefs website all year long in which I've stated the same things I've stated here, as well as private emails with friends.

Your utter lack of football knowledge is stunning. Maybe you should actually watch an NFL game sometime.

It doesn't really matter what you think either.

**Mav** · 10-28-2014, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

So Overreaction Planet?

Every day all day. While I'm glad you are back you know as I do, you missed nothing.

Direckshun · 10-28-2014, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

there was reasons to not have both feet in the water in the offseason

when your FA haul is Joe Mays and Vance Walker and Emmanuel Sanders punks you for your division rival I think its okay in April for people to be cautious. Nobody wanted to get fooled again like the drink the kool aid Pioli. Dorsey looks like a master now and I and everyone else should have no problem eating crow. I am pleasently surprised by this team and very happy. They look more legit this year as a 4-3 NFL team than the soft 7-0 fools gold they were this time last year. They are competitive and battle tested this year and should now have won everyone over with their ability to hang with ANY QB in this league. Thats all I wanted, and they have given me that in year 2. It makes watching the games fun.

Solid post.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-28-2014, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

It doesn't really matter what you think either.

Except for the simple fact that you are constantly wrong, whether it's your stupid ass mock drafts 365 days a year or dipshittery like you're displaying now.

I said last preseason that the 2013 Chiefs floor was 10 wins and they won 11. This year, I also believe that 10 wins is their floor, even with their seemingly catastrophic injuries to start the season.

This team will be exponentially better in December than they were in September.

Direckshun · 10-28-2014, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Except for the simple fact that you are constantly wrong, whether it's your stupid ass mock drafts 365 days a year or dipshittery like you're displaying now.

I said last preseason that the 2013 Chiefs floor was 10 wins and they won 11. This year, I also believe that 10 wins is their floor, even with their seemingly catastrophic injuries to start the season.

This team will be exponentially better in December than they were in September.

I'm wrong plenty. I'm right plenty. I'm comfortable with that. That's why they play the games.

They're already exponentially better, which is great. They really need Owens and Avery to come back from injury.

Otter · 10-28-2014, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I don't think my opinion was an outlier at the time.

Of course, you get the benefit of not being around here during what many considered to be a dreadful offseason, a troubling preseason, and a chaotic opener. How were you feeling at the time of the Titans game?

You have mastered the ability of shooting an arrow then painting a bullseye around it. It's useless but entertaining at times, I suppose.

Prison Bitch · 10-28-2014, 06:58 AM

So glad this classic has been bumped. I always shit on his threads now because of this one. Just shows how useless his opinions are

Eleazar · 10-28-2014, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Eight starters, by the way:

McCluster
Albert
Asamoah
Schwartz
Jackson
Flowers
Lewis
Succop

Again, we can use hindsight now and laugh that we were able to successfully replace every one of these players, and that they've largely gone on to stink.

It was perfectly reasonable to have strong doubts about that idea at the time the thread was started.

None of those are more than league average players at their position in the NFL. Most of them were addition by subtraction. That should have been obvious at the time to anyone.

scho63 · 10-28-2014, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I think you're a clueless ****ing moron.

I've posted on another Chiefs website all year long in which I've stated the same things I've stated here, as well as private emails with friends.

Your utter lack of football knowledge is stunning. Maybe you should actually watch an NFL game sometime.

Glad to see you popping back in and bitch slapping a fellow poster!

Where would CP be without ya!

Prison Bitch · 10-28-2014, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

None of those are more than league average players at their position in the NFL. Most of them were addition by subtraction. That should have been obvious at the time to anyone.

Direck is very choosy about who ought to be fired early

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...0&postcount=24

Direckshun · 10-28-2014, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

None of those are more than league average players at their position in the NFL. Most of them were addition by subtraction. That should have been obvious at the time to anyone.

I'm extremely comfortable saying that was not "obvious" to the vast majority of Chiefs fans, including folks on this site.

Letting Albert walk for post-rookie-year Eric Fisher? Letting Asamoah and Schwartz walk for no clear reason at the time (Rishaw Johnson was our best guess)? And so on and so on.

Re-read through the thread. There were plenty of folks telling me I jumped the gun on this, but there weren't a lot of folks disagreeing that Dorsey's offseason plan of letting approximately a truckload of impact players walk and replacing them for pennies on the dollar was going to be ineffective.

Otter · 10-28-2014, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I'm extremely comfortable saying that was not "obvious" to the vast majority of Chiefs fans, including folks on this site.

Letting Albert walk for post-rookie-year Eric Fisher? Letting Asamoah and Schwartz walk for no clear reason at the time (Rishaw Johnson was our best guess)? And so on and so on.

Re-read through the thread. There were plenty of folks telling me I jumped the gun on this, but there weren't a lot of folks disagreeing that Dorsey's offseason plan of letting approximately a truckload of impact players walk and replacing them for pennies on the dollar was going to be effective.

It was OK to critial of Carl Peterson after so long. The data speaks for itself. It was OK to be critial of PeeHolie because it was an obvious train wreck. PeeHolie wasn't ready to lead and his head coach obviously hated his guts.

It's OK to be wrong Direckshun as long as you learn from it. Stop standing around with your finger up your ass saying you didn't know want it was to feel like to have a finger up your ass. It's over.

09-09-2014, 11:02 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4173447	Put Dorsey's Head On The Chopping Block It is very, very early in John Dorsey's tenure here, but unless the talent he's acquired magically turns it around by midpoint of the season, I believe we should be shopping for a new GM by the end of the season. Now, this is a big deal (I would like to think), coming from me. I was among the last defenders on this site of Scott Pioli, and I still think his drafting record here was strong. I believe in the process, in giving GMs extreme leeway and time in shuffling the roster and building a team full of the kind of guys we want. But Dorsey came in with a plum opportunity. He had the core of a team already built for him (minus the one critical position), the #1 pick in the draft, and a ridiculous amount of free agency cap room to spend, spend, spend. With these incredible gifts given to him, gifts that any new GM would kill for (rather than the shit sandwich a new GM would get in 2015...), Dorsey took the absolute worst path. He sacrificed the future of the franchise for a quick playoff run, completely overpaying in offseason talent, hamstringing our budget for 2014 and 2015 so that we let a full quarter of our team's starters walk, including two Pro Bowlers, with zero ability to replace any of the departing talent effectively (with the sole exception of replacing Kendrick Lewis with Husain Abdullah, but even that was a Plan B after Mr. Glass Commings is out for another year). We were unable to retain Brandon Albert, Brandon Flowers, Ryan Succop, Tyson Jackson, Dexter McCulster, Jon Asamoah and Geoff Schwartz because we had to have Mike DeVito, Chase Daniel, Dunta Robinson, Sean Smith, Donnie Avery, and Anthony Fasano. That is a complete loss on every level, and again, it happened because Dorsey acted like a teenager after receiving his first paycheck rather than the patient, methodical personnel guru he was alleged to be. The Alex Smith trade was defensible on its own terms, I believe. (We overpayed with the two 2nds, but we overpayed for Bowe and Colquitt, and both of those were defensible as well, as the team was seriously ****ed without the player in question.) But coupled with the Chase Daniel acquisition and this team's continued chickenshit behavior regarding the QB position in the draft, and it once again showed a complete lack of understanding of what it takes to win in a league being skewed further and further away from the Alex Smiths and Matt Cassels of the world. In a league that's continually changing, Dorsey, Reid and Alex Smith are keeping the team stagnant. Well, less than stagnant, really. The biggest crime of the young John Dorsey era has been the drafting, which has been horrific. It's every bit as obsessed with 40 times and measurables and ignorant of on field performance as the Al Davis regime used to be. We burned the #1 overall pick on a likely bust at tackle. We burned our first this year on a passrusher that isn't helping us win. We burned our third this year on a corner that was worse than Vince Agnew this preseason. And none of our low-round picks are working out, up to and including our UDFAs, where GMs need to distinguish themselves. It's insane to think that Scott Pioli had a better record with UDFAs, which is saying something considering that Pioli only hit on one his entire time here. I do a ton of mock drafts throughout the year, most of them terrible, but all of them viscerally enjoyable for me to postulate. It's lost a lot of its luster this year, even as we are entering a year with 11 draft picks, because projecting the projects and boom/likely-bust players that Dorsey falls in love with makes the exercise depressing. We end up with a super-young team full of talent that can't see the field, and likely rarely ever will. I'm willing to change my tune, as I always am, if some of this plan looks to be solid for the future, and not just for the present, by the middle of the season. But it would have to be a dramatic shift for me to feel that way. That said, we can still end up in a good position here. The Alex Smith contract, which ironically is the best contract Dorsey has signed here, makes Smith expendable if a new GM is brought in at the end of the year. If Andy Reid still wants Alex Smith after a 4-12 season, fire him too. If Andy Reid can't get along with the new GM, fire him. If Andy Reid can't call a winning gameplan in 2015, fire him. This front office refused to utilize their patience when constructing this roster. In the process, they've lost mine.
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10-28-2014, 01:19 AM	#332
mcaj22 MVP Join Date: Feb 2010 Casino cash: $10014454	there was reasons to not have both feet in the water in the offseason when your FA haul is Joe Mays and Vance Walker and Emmanuel Sanders punks you for your division rival I think its okay in April for people to be cautious. Nobody wanted to get fooled again like the drink the kool aid Pioli. Dorsey looks like a master now and I and everyone else should have no problem eating crow. I am pleasently surprised by this team and very happy. They look more legit this year as a 4-3 NFL team than the soft 7-0 fools gold they were this time last year. They are competitive and battle tested this year and should now have won everyone over with their ability to hang with ANY QB in this league. Thats all I wanted, and they have given me that in year 2. It makes watching the games fun.
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Prison Bitch Rabbi Goldmann Join Date: Nov 2012 Casino cash: $5450159	So glad this classic has been bumped. I always shit on his threads now because of this one. Just shows how useless his opinions are
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