**2014 Official NBA Playoffs Thread**

[-King-]

Round 1:

EAST:

#8 Hawks @ #1 Pacers
#7 Bobcats @ #2 Heat
#6 Nets @ #3 Raptors
#5 Wizards @ #4 Bulls

WEST:
#8 Mavericks @ #1 Spurs
#7 Grizzlies @ #2 Thunder
#6 Warriors @ #3 Clippers
#5 Blazers @ #4 Rockets

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by tk13

Eh I didn't say I care. But some people do. You making an arrogant post pretending like you're above it isn't going to change that. It's not a valid counter argument. It's what happened. It was an egotistical move. That's it, he'll always have to live with it. You can't take it back.

You're right, he'll have to live with some morons in Cleveland being upset with him over some television special on ESPN years ago. His legacy is shattered.

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by tk13

Eh I didn't say I care. But some people do. You making an arrogant post pretending like you're above it isn't going to change that. It's not a valid counter argument. It's what happened. It was an egotistical move. That's it, he'll always have to live with it. You can't take it back.

I do... Yeah, being a traitor and whore is one thing (not new in the annals of humanity), but how he did it is even more whorish...

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Yep, leaving because he had a desire to actually win in his prime. Total asshole.

Nobody in Cleveland faults him for wanting to leave Cleveland. The way he did it was total asshole.

That being said, I said it in the 2011-2012 season when he played the Pacers. He finally got rid of his immaturity and grew up. And since then, I respect his professional approach to the game. I still despise the guy for what he did, but no doubt he's become a significantly better player especially in terms of attitude the last 2-3 years.

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

You're right, he'll have to live with some morons in Cleveland being upset with him over some television special on ESPN years ago. His legacy is shattered.

Well, to be honest, it's not like MJ gets half this flavor or criticism... Don't worry, the NBA will make sure he's "the best ever" - they need it more than he does right now...

[tk13]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

You're right, he'll have to live with some morons in Cleveland being upset with him over some television special on ESPN years ago. His legacy is shattered.

To be fair, it's a lot more than just Cleveland. It's pretty much most of America. ESPN's poll a few days ago showed that every single state besides Florida was rooting for the Spurs to win.

http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2014/...n-lol-sry-heat

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Nobody in Cleveland faults him for wanting to leave Cleveland. The way he did it was total asshole.

That being said, I said it in the 2011-2012 season when he played the Pacers. He finally got rid of his immaturity and grew up. And since then, I respect his professional approach to the game. I still despise the guy for what he did, but no doubt he's become a significantly better player especially in terms of attitude the last 2-3 years.

He was a fantastic player in Cleveland and he's improved in Miami. I haven't noticed any real changes in his attitude over that time, other than those people attribute to him because he's now a "winner."

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Yeah, he'll end up better.

Sorry. But there is and never will be a better playoff gamer especially in the 4th quarter than Michael Jordan. He averaged something like 35 PPG in the playoffs and hit half of his game-winning shots and he did it in a league where he had a really tough eastern conference to battle through most years.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by tk13

To be fair, it's a lot more than just Cleveland. It's pretty much most of America. ESPN's poll a few days ago showed that every single state besides Florida was rooting for the Spurs to win.

http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2014/...n-lol-sry-heat

I should have said morons in America. My bad.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

He was a fantastic player in Cleveland and he's improved in Miami. I haven't noticed any real changes in his attitude over that time, other than those people attribute to him because he's now a "winner."

He flat out gave up against Boston in the conference finals one year. You're just trolling at this point. He is definitely a more mature player at this point in his career. Get it together man.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Sorry. But there is and never will be a better playoff gamer especially in the 4th quarter than Michael Jordan. He averaged something like 35 PPG in the playoffs and hit half of his game-winning shots and he did it in a league where he had a really tough eastern conference to battle through most years.

Jordan was an incredible scorer, that's for sure. Better than LeBron probably will ever be. But there are many other aspects to basketball than that.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by tk13

He flat out gave up against Boston in the conference finals one year. You're just trolling at this point. He is definitely a more mature player at this point in his career. Get it together man.

Oh, you mean the ridiculous media narrative when a superior Boston team beat his Cavaliers? Yeah, I remember.

And I'm not the troll here.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Oh, you mean the ridiculous media narrative when a superior Boston team beat his Cavaliers? Yeah, I remember.

And I'm not the troll here.

Yeah you are. Instead of having a legitimate conversation you're just avoiding reality while trying to push a narrative that isn't there. That is the definition of trolling. You'd be better off saying you love LeBron and he will never do anything that you don't like.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by GloryDayz

Well, to be honest, it's not like MJ gets half this flavor or criticism.

Jordan was more of an egotistical prick than LeBron could ever be. It's even seen by many as one of his positive qualities.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

He was a fantastic player in Cleveland and he's improved in Miami. I haven't noticed any real changes in his attitude over that time, other than those people attribute to him because he's now a "winner."

In his years in Cleveland and his first two seasons in Miami, he was a whiny bitch. A lot of that is Mike Brown's fault. He never kept Kyrie's ego in check either. LBJ too often treated the game like... a game, instead of a battle. He whined about practice schedules, was immature about how he handled the spotlight, and while he's always been a good teammate he too often grandstanded and often threw his teammates and everyone around him under the bus. He also was way too skittish in the 4th quarters of games. He didn't seem to want to be "the guy" when the moment called for it.

The last few years, different player. He's all business now. Good for him for figuring it out. Disagree entirely that he's not a different player. He's not as flashy about the chalk toss, is smarter about how he handles the media, seems to be a much smarter teammate, attacks more often especially later in the game, and he almost never showboats on the court anymore (including whining to the refs after bad calls and failing to drop back into defense).

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by tk13

Yeah you are. Instead of having a legitimate conversation you're just avoiding reality while trying to push a narrative that isn't there. That is the definition of trolling. You'd be better off saying you love LeBron and he will never do anything that you don't like.

Legitimate conversation? Did you see how this entire thread of discussion began?