Chiefs Albert/Joeckel perspective - Page 24

**cdcox** · 04-18-2013, 11:01 PM

How would you feel if the Chiefs had the #2 overall pick and packaged it and Albert for Joeckel? Because that's what the Chiefs are on the brink of doing.

#1 pick = 3000 points
#54 pick = 360 points

difference is 2640 points

#2 pick is worth 2600 points

Chiefs are going to invest 3000 - 360 = 2640 points to replace Albert with Joeckel. It could be a good deal for the Chiefs if 1) Albert is out of the league in two years, 2) Jockel is a HOFer and 3) the alternatives (like Geno) don't have very good careers.

silver5liter · 04-19-2013, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by penbook

He said it on NFL32 on Wednesday.

Polian and everybody were talking about either Fisher or Joeckel to KC and they said what about you and Jaws is like I dont see them taking a OT. I see them taking a qb #1. He said A Smith cant be the long term answer. He also said Reid and him are really good friends and talk a lot.

I heard that too. I still dont believe it though

beach tribe · 04-20-2013, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Mother of Pearl, PLEASE stop with the outdated ****ing value chart.

Yeah. That thing HAS to go. Im not happy about what's happening but that chart has to be tossed and soon.

jd1020 · 04-20-2013, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Yeah. That thing HAS to go. Im not happy about what's happening but that chart has to be tossed and soon.

Why?

You can talk about how long ago it was invented as much as you want.

That has nothing to do with the fact that you can map the trades that occur on the chart with nearly a 1:1 correlation.

The ultimate compensation is decided on the players available, so you'll either be above or below the line, but you'll be in the ballpark.

patteeu · 04-20-2013, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

According to the bad guy, Geno is one of the final four players being considered for the pick and they haven't made up their mind on who to take yet.

The same source has been 100% accurate on everything he has posted this offseason.

Good for him. So what?

Pasta Little Brioni · 04-20-2013, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by crazycoffey

No, don't say that!!!! If we continue to argue it, we may actually talk Reid and Dorsey into drafting the guy we want (both sides).

I don't see how, or why we can't either take geno 1.1, Wilson or E.J. In the second (from Albert trade), or bray - jones in the third. We need a rookie QB anyway, trick shot and fabio are dead space on the rooster

patteeu · 04-20-2013, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by penbook

He said it on NFL32 on Wednesday.

Polian and everybody were talking about either Fisher or Joeckel to KC and they said what about you and Jaws is like I dont see them taking a OT. I see them taking a qb #1. He said A Smith cant be the long term answer. He also said Reid and him are really good friends and talk a lot.

I wonder if they're good enough friends for Reid to use Jaws to drive up interest in a trade.

chiefzilla1501 · 04-20-2013, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

Good for him. So what?

I don't think their indecision is because they can't decide. I think their indecision is in trying to evaluate three options: 1) trade Albert; 2) trade out of the pick; 3) stay put and not get any picks. And choosing between the three options is dependent on how much your trade partners are willing to dance, which we may not know until a few minutes into the draft.

patteeu · 04-20-2013, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I don't think their indecision is because they can't decide. I think their indecision is in trying to evaluate three options: 1) trade Albert; 2) trade out of the pick; 3) stay put and not get any picks. And choosing between the three options is dependent on how much your trade partners are willing to dance, which we may not know until a few minutes into the draft.

Agree.

**Anyong Bluth** · 04-20-2013, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRock

I bet they sign him to a resonable deal too. But only because Albert has to have realized by now how soft the market is and that he's not getting the sort of money he wanted.

Unfortunately, players in that position rarely go back to their original team to say "You guys were right, I was asking for way too much". Some guys get so butt hurt that they end up taking less money somewhere else than what their original team was offering them.

But that he's looking for big money shouldn't even be up for debate. NFL.com just said in the last few days that Albert was looking for a "monster" contract. That's the strongest terms I've seen it put in yet. Other reports this week said the Chiefs told other teams what kind of money Albert was looking for. How many stayed interested? One. Out of desperation.

There is nothing, up to and including common sense, to suggest that Albert's just looking for a nice reasonable deal and it's everyone else's fault he hasn't gotten it.

Well said.

To add to your point, Miami probably figures now that Albert knows he's got basically 1 team to negotiate with that he'll probably wise up in such pie in the sky contract demands, and possibly play the hometown card to come to a more reasonable deal since that's where he lives in the offseason.

Hell, you may be spot on, in them getting him to sign for a multi year deal for less than maybe an offer the Chiefs made simply because he fears the looming shadow of KC looking to replace or move him down the road, and factor in the added take home $$$ since FL has no income tax.

**Anyong Bluth** · 04-20-2013, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smith Fan

Yeah, people act like now that the chiefs have alex smith, they will never get another qb ever. and thats just stupid. The year they gave Mike Vick 100 mil they drafted Foles. People are just mad cause hes not a first rounder....

Hating the idea of being forced to take an OL guy with 1.1 when nobody even grades out as high as say Joe Thomas, which sucks. But, I'll agree that I don't buy that Alex Smith is firmly planted as the starter for years to come, and they may very well have a guy they are eying that isn't in this years draft that they deem it would be worth making whatever moves it takes to get even if that means moving up to secure his services, and so the priority is to amass young pro bowl quality guys to have around when he comes to hit the ground running. Then it makes sense to take a potential PB tackle who wille will still be in his prime when or if this "franchise" QB comes in to give him the best chances at a cleaner pocket as he learns the ropes and hopefully emerges as an elite QB? Albert certainly would be on a severe decline by then if not retired even. So defer the wasted cap $$ to spend towards younger AND cheaper talent or quality 2nd contract FAs...?

All speculation, yes, but I wouldn't discount the idea that an underclassmen QB isn't already on their radar. Dorsey has had his hand in picking more than a few quality guys in his time with GB...?

RunKC · 04-20-2013, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

According to the bad guy, Geno is one of the final four players being considered for the pick and they haven't made up their mind on who to take yet.

The same source has been 100% accurate on everything he has posted this offseason.

And that source believes there is a 1% chance of him being here. Let it go.

**SAUTO** · 04-20-2013, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

**** you, Jason. Seriously, go **** yourself.

I went to Kansas State University, you ****ing Mongoloid, and rarely miss a televised game. My brother went to the bowl game in January, one who sucks the penis. So for you to accuse me of not watching that game and not reporting exactly what I saw is outright ****ing bullshit.

Secondly, I don't even know where to find Bucky Brooks column and couldn't care less.

Now, go **** yourself. Hard.

And in no way, shape or form, am I joking, Dickhead.

So you are admitting I'm right?

Thanks.

You watched one game. The k state game.

It's obvious now by this post.

It's the exact type of post you write when someone has got you..
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Chiefaholic · 04-20-2013, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I think that recent history proves that above average QB's can be found outside of round one.

IMO, the word "Elite" only applies to a few and even some of those guys were found outside of round one.

Agree... Not to mention there aren't any "elite" QB's in this draft anyway.

jd1020 · 04-20-2013, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefaholic

Agree... Not to mention there aren't any "elite" QB's in this draft anyway.

So you can predict the future, eh?

penbrook · 04-20-2013, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

And that source believes there is a 1% chance of him being here. Let it go.

So your saying theres a chance.

04-18-2013, 11:01 PM
cdcox www.nfl-forecast.com Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $2121769	Albert/Joeckel perspective How would you feel if the Chiefs had the #2 overall pick and packaged it and Albert for Joeckel? Because that's what the Chiefs are on the brink of doing. #1 pick = 3000 points #54 pick = 360 points difference is 2640 points #2 pick is worth 2600 points Chiefs are going to invest 3000 - 360 = 2640 points to replace Albert with Joeckel. It could be a good deal for the Chiefs if 1) Albert is out of the league in two years, 2) Jockel is a HOFer and 3) the alternatives (like Geno) don't have very good careers.
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