Keep f***ing doubting Alex Smith

[Hammock Parties]

The title of the thread says it all....

**** you doubters. He plays with heart, and he continues to get the job done. You people who bash Alex, I don't even consider true fans. He plays his heart out every week, and you continue to bash him...

Keep bashing him, I'll keep backing him.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead

Is detergent flammable?

When mixed with diesel it turns into a nice, volatile slurry.

A poor man's napalm if you will.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

You know what I need to see:

1. Wins

which equate to

2. Playoff appearances

As long as the team wins, I don't give a rat's fart how it happens.

And all I know is that this team is 3-0.

And anyone who is bitching about QB play on a team that's 3-0 after going through what was unquestionably the worst decade ever in the team's history can get crucified on an aids tree, have diesel and detergent poured all over them and then get lit on fire.

Especially QB play behind a ****ing horribly performing offensive line after suffering for a decade of QB's whipping into the fetal position when they thought that they heard footsteps.

Seriously...if you are "anxious" about what Smith has provided thus far, you need to take a ****ing Xanax with a bottle of wine and chill the **** out and just enjoy the wins. For once.

Wins are great. Until it comes crashing down in the playoffs. Being able to win 10 or even 11 games in the regular season does not mean you're built to win in the playoffs. If there's ANYONE who knows that, its us.

I still see that happening. That's what I am holding back about. That's the only thing I'm holding back about.

As I've said, I'm enjoying watching the team play again. It's nice to look forward to the games again. But I won't believe this team is built for playoff success - the ultimate goal - until we see more from Alex Smith.

[Jakemall]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Like on January 22, 2011? How often did he make them then?

Alex got the team tied and brought it to overtime. He did make a few big plays. The conditions were bad (even Eli was having problems with much more for weapons) and the 9er receiving core was decimated. There were two Player Squad guys activated for the game that aren't even in the NFL anymore. Delanie Walker was also playing hurt. So basically all Alex had was VD and Crabtree. Crabtree didn't exactly have a great day either. It wasn't like he was seeing any kind of daylight.

When all was said and done, Alex was a muffed punt, a fumble away and/or a bad call (talking about the strip) away from taking his team to the superbowl. None were within his control. Not saying Alex was perfect, but without those fluke plays, he was good enough.

[JENKINSWINS]

[philfree]

Originally Posted by JENKINSWINS

Yeah but he doesn't take enough risks.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Wins are great. Until it comes crashing down in the playoffs.

As a Chiefs fan, how the hell would you know this?

Being able to win 10 or even 11 games in the regular season does not mean you're built to win in the playoffs. If there's ANYONE who knows that, its us.

So, you are equating the dynamic offenses/slap dick defenses of Dick Vermeil's Chiefs with what you are currently seeing out of Reid/Smith's Chiefs a decade ago?

Or is it the Shottenheimer Okoye/Word three yards and a cloud of dust and very good defense teams that you are channeling here?

I still see that happening. That's what I am holding back about. That's the only thing I'm holding back about.

I don't see anything remotely similar to either Shottenheimer's teams or Vermeil's teams in this current incarnation of the Chiefs. It's not the RRP uber-predictibility of Marty's squads or the defensive travesties of Pappy Dick's.

While in their infancy of the Reid/Smith dynasty, they have shown the ability to be diverse in the passing game (Smith has absolutely no problem going through his progressions and getting the ball into the hands of multiple targets), the running game where they are incorporating pistol formations, read options, etc., and the defense has been aggressive and opportunistic.

And given that Smith, for the first three games of the regular season, has had to operate behind a sieve of an offensive line with no tight ends and receivers, I think he's done a masterful job, especially in comparison to the previous Chiefs QB's as well as current QB's around the league. (Go watch Eli operate behind a line that is just as porous as the Chiefs with better receivers and see if you like that level of performance more than what you are getting from Alex Smith.)

As I've said, I'm enjoying watching the team play again. It's nice to look forward to the games again. But I won't believe this team is built for playoff success - the ultimate goal - until we see more from Alex Smith.

Well, that is your prerogative, but I believe that it's Smith's style of play that will allow this team to be successful in the playoffs - that Smith will give something to the Chiefs franchise and fanbase that hasn't happened in over two decades - a playoff win.

And I really think that you are being delusionally myopic in your targeting of Smith, especially this early in the season coupled with the problems he's been dealing with on offense that I have previously mentioned. This is a team that is coming off a 2-14 season less than a year ago. A team with an entirely new coaching staff, 32 new players and a very young core group. And yet you want to see more of Smith after three games before you think this team is built for playoff success, despite his 22-5-1 record as a starter over the past three years and appearance in the NFC championship game?

That's a bit ****ing nuts, don't you think?

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by JENKINSWINS

Boom goes the dynamite.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

As a Chiefs fan, how the hell would you know this?

So, you are equating the dynamic offenses/slap dick defenses of Dick Vermeil's Chiefs with what you are currently seeing out of Reid/Smith's Chiefs a decade ago?

Or is it the Shottenheimer Okoye/Word three yards and a cloud of dust and very good defense teams that you are channeling here?

I don't see anything remotely similar to either Shottenheimer's teams or Vermeil's teams in this current incarnation of the Chiefs. It's not the RRP uber-predictibility of Marty's squads or the defensive travesties of Pappy Dick's.

While in their infancy of the Reid/Smith dynasty, they have shown the ability to be diverse in the passing game (Smith has absolutely no problem going through his progressions and getting the ball into the hands of multiple targets), the running game where they are incorporating pistol formations, read options, etc., and the defense has been aggressive and opportunistic.

And given that Smith, for the first three games of the regular season, has had to operate behind a sieve of an offensive line with no tight ends and receivers, I think he's done a masterful job, especially in comparison to the previous Chiefs QB's as well as current QB's around the league. (Go watch Eli operate behind a line that is just as porous as the Chiefs with better receivers and see if you like that level of performance more than what you are getting from Alex Smith.)



Well, that is your prerogative, but I believe that it's Smith's style of play that will allow this team to be successful in the playoffs - that Smith will give something to the Chiefs franchise and fanbase that hasn't happened in over two decades - a playoff win.

And I really think that you are being delusionally myopic in your targeting of Smith, especially this early in the season coupled with the problems he's been dealing with on offense that I have previously mentioned. This is a team that is coming off a 2-14 season less than a year ago. A team with an entirely new coaching staff, 32 new players and a very young core group. And yet you want to see more of Smith after three games before you think this team is built for playoff success, despite his 22-5-1 record as a starter over the past three years and appearance in the NFC championship game?

That's a bit ****ing nuts, don't you think?

I grew up in the 90s watching game manager QBs piss things away in the playoffs. A game manager is a game manager until proven otherwise, in my mind, and that's not good enough to win in the playoffs.

Keep sporting that 22-5-1. It's a nice number that has as much relevance to playoff wins as 2-24.

No, I don't think I'm nuts. Obviously. I just have a different (and higher) standard before I start ball-washing the Chiefs latest retread QB.

This one has more potential and could actually be a long-term answer and an above-average guy. Andy Reid certainly seems to think so. I'm open to the idea and HOPEFUL it happens. Just not blindly so.

As for my 'targetting' of Smith, keep in mind that I'm looking at his first 3 games here as a continuation of his play in 2011 and 2012 in San Francisco. Still see a lot of the same shortcomings that make me question his ability to truly lead a team in the playoffs (rather than come along for the ride).

And, just in preparation for the inevitable pointing to the Saints game... in 2011, the Saints possessed the 30th rated pass defense (total yards - middle of pack in YPA, bottom 10 in passer rating). Way to go, Alex!

It would be interesting to see your evaluation of Alex Smith if, say, he was from Texas and had gone to Georgia instead of being from Utah.

[JENKINSWINS]

[Alex Smiff]

Originally Posted by JENKINSWINS

One of these things is not like the other.....

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

That's a bit ****ing nuts, don't you think?

For whatever the reason(s), it seems important to him to shield himself from believing. It's probably like many others... he is scared to believe and then get his hopes crushed later... so it is "better" to just stay negative and protect self from potential letdown.

[lcarus]

Originally Posted by JENKINSWINS

lol

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by JENKINSWINS

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I grew up in the 90s watching game manager QBs piss things away in the playoffs. A game manager is a game manager until proven otherwise, in my mind, and that's not good enough to win in the playoffs.

The key wording here is "in my mind." Smith has won in the playoffs. And the term "game manager" is being used with way too much negative connotation around here.

You remember what Dan Marino's playoff record was during the same time your '90's Chiefs were game managing the playoffs away?

What's Peyton Manning's playoff record? Is he a game manager?

Or were guys like Joe Montana and Troy Aikman game managers? Neither had huge arms, played to within their respective systems and used a controlled, focused offense to win a whole lot of playoff games.

I'm kind of curious as to what is the correct definition of a "game manager" and what QB's fall into that category and why.

Keep sporting that 22-5-1. It's a nice number that has as much relevance to playoff wins as 2-24.

It has a great deal of relevance considering that Smith took the 49'ers to the NFC championship game in 2011 and should have been in the Superbowl if not for a blunder on special teams. That's more playoff wins than the Chiefs have seen since Montana was their QB.

No, I don't think I'm nuts. Obviously. I just have a different (and higher) standard before I start ball-washing the Chiefs latest retread QB.

Yeah, and just how did those standards stay in place over the past 20 years? How the hell did you stay a Chiefs fan and then why are you happy pissing all over Smith after he starts this team 3-0 in his first year with the team in a brand new system? I'm sorry, but it reeks of hypocrisy.

This one has more potential and could actually be a long-term answer and an above-average guy. Andy Reid certainly seems to think so. I'm open to the idea and HOPEFUL it happens. Just not blindly so.

You aren't open to the idea. You totally are discounting Smith's record as a starter the past three years, Reid's record as a coach in the playoffs, etc. You've already stated that Smith should be looked to be replaced if he continues performing at the level he has the past three years - a level that has netted him the highest winning percentage among all active NFL QB's.

As for my 'targetting' of Smith, keep in mind that I'm looking at his first 3 games here as a continuation of his play in 2011 and 2012 in San Francisco. Still see a lot of the same shortcomings that make me question his ability to truly lead a team in the playoffs (rather than come along for the ride).

Excatly my point. 22-5-1. .803 winning percentage. NFC championship game. 3-0 as a starter on a team that was the worst in football last season, etc. And you are bitching about his shortcomings, questioning his ability to lead, etc.

You see what I'm saying here?

And, just in preparation for the inevitable pointing to the Saints game... in 2011, the Saints possessed the 30th rated pass defense (total yards - middle of pack in YPA, bottom 10 in passer rating). Way to go, Alex!

Did he win the game? There you go.

It would be interesting to see your evaluation of Alex Smith if, say, he was from Texas and had gone to Georgia instead of being from Utah.

Frankly, I wouldn't care. I graduated from KU.

All I know is that he's played very well when he hasn't been the victim of injuries (the shoulder deal was on the doctor) or horrible head coaching and that he's 3-0 as the starting QB of the Chiefs.

[Jakemall]

Originally Posted by Alex Smiff

One of these things is not like the other.....

Yeah, you're right. Alex is at .8 not .7 like the rest.