Chiefs Raiders Trade for Carson Palmer - Page 25

**doomy3** · 09:52 AM

Per Rotoworld, the Raiders are close to acquiring Carson Palmer.

On my phone, so no link, but what the hell do the Raiders have left to trade?

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Originally Posted by doomy3

Schefter reporting that trade is completed. 2012 first and 2013 conditional first.

Amazing.

**bevischief** · 10-18-2011, 01:17 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...m-playoff-win/

Second first-round pick for Palmer comes from playoff win
Posted by Mike Florio on October 18, 2011, 1:55 PM EDT
Carson Palmer AP

During Monday’s Raiders-Bengals edition of PFT Live, FOX’s Jay Glazer said that the Bengals get a second first-round pick if the Raiders win a playoff game in 2011. Otherwise, the Bengals get a first-round pick in 2012 and a second-round pick in 2013. ESPN’s Chris Mortensen also has reported these basic terms.

Here are a few quick takes regarding the deal.

1. With the new CBA implementing a real rookie wage scale, first-round picks are worth more than they were before 2011, especially in the upper reaches of the round. Teams can now acquire blue-chip talent at far lower pay, squatting on them for at least five years. At a time when not many players have been yielding first-round picks via trade, the possibility that the Raiders will give up two of them for Palmer is stunning.

2. Even if Palmer stinks and the Raiders otherwise make it to the postseason and win one game, the compensation becomes two first-rounders. It’s unknown whether the Raiders pressed for a trigger based on Palmer’s performance, but given the way he played last year, it would have made sense to get such protection.

2. The Broncos may be kicking themselves for sending receiver Brandon Lloyd to the Rams for a sixth-round pick that can become a fifth-round pick. After the Palmer deal, it seems that maybe the Broncos could have done better.

3. Or not. The Palmer trade could make it difficult if not impossible to get any more trades accomplished before this year’s deadline, since the team with the player who would be traded will (or at least should) start the talks by pointing out what the Raiders gave up for Palmer.

4. Palmer reportedly has said he’ll never again set foot in Paul Brown Stadium. Under the current scheduling formula, he will next year.

5. If the Raiders win the AFC West and the Bengals capture a wild-card berth, Cincy could face a no-lose situation in the postseason, if the playoff tree sends Cincinnati to Oakland. Win the game and advance, lose the game and get a second first-round pick.

6. As Paul Gutierrez of CSN Bay Area pointed out during PFT Live, Raiders coach Hue Jackson clearly is running the show in Oakland. And he’s taking a big risk that Palmer won’t be worth the price that was paid. Which could eventually limit Jackson’s influence, if Palmer doesn’t deliver.

7. As Joe Reedy of the Cincinnati Enquirer pointed out during PFT Live, the Bengals ultimately can thank the Browns for helping the Bengals get up to two first-round picks for Palmer. If the Browns don’t break Jason Campbell’s collarbone, Palmer doesn’t get traded until 2012, at the earliest.

8. Palmer’s decision not to file retirement papers made it easier for the deal to go down quickly, since Palmer didn’t have to send a letter to the Commissioner with a request to be reinstated to the active roster.

9. If receiver Chad Ochocinco gets cut by the Patriots, his beeline to the Bay may not happen. There’s a belief that Palmer has had enough of Chad, and that Palmer wouldn’t want to play with him again.

10. Terrelle Pryor’s career is now on hold indefinitely, unless he enters the game in a Wildcat package or plays another position.

11. Carson Palmer eventually got what he wanted, without drawing much criticism. As others in the media have pointed out, it’s hard to imagine other players essentially quitting on their team to force a trade and not being called out aggressively.

**bevischief** · 10-18-2011, 01:19 PM

Palmer is under contract through 2014, at base salaries of $11.5 million, $11.5 million, $13 million, and $14 million. The prorated 2011 salary is $7.44 million; as of October 4, the Raiders had $6.1 million in cap space for 2011.

O.city · 10-18-2011, 01:22 PM

the faid have given up a 1st,3rd,and 4th round picks in next years draft.....for quarterbacks.

**the Talking Can** · 10-18-2011, 01:23 PM

Palmer's been a top-20 QB the last couple of years...his QB rating last year put him at 18th (16th in 2009)....Cassel was 9th

his td/int ratio is god awful...over the last 4 years it is 76/57 along with 13 fumbles in the last 2 years..

he's been sitting on his ass for half a season, and the raiders traded a 1st and 2nd....just incredible...

this is an all-time stupid trade

**DaFace** · 10-18-2011, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Not much difference between this and the Trent Green trade.

Except it was for one pick instead of two. And Trent was playing well before his knee got destroyed, where Palmer has been a mediocre QB for the past few years.

**BigRichard** · 10-18-2011, 01:24 PM

Sofa King · 10-18-2011, 01:25 PM

**Ming the Merciless** · 10-18-2011, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by IPwnFools

Wow, 300+ replies on a Chief board about a Raider trade?

The Raiders can curb stomp the Chiefs with Kyle freaking Boller at QB.

Wait so you complaining about a thread on a 'Chief Board' adding to the thread count is what then?

Hypocrite?

You may be the most stupid poster in the last couple hours....Congrats, that is a pretty difficult task in this thread.

**Bane** · 10-18-2011, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by IPwnFools

Wow, 300+ replies on a Chief board about a Raider trade?

Lol, you guys really need to worry about your own team. You know, the one that is in the Suck for Luck race?

The Raiders will be fine. Carson knows the system and will step in and make it a seamless transition. We don't even need him to play this week against you guys.

The Raiders can curb stomp the Chiefs with Kyle freaking Boller at QB.

Lol @ knomo jr.

IPwnFools · 10-18-2011, 01:31 PM

I mean I would expect a 300 reply thread on the Chargers board. Since, you know, our teams are actually competing with each other for the division title.

But the 2-3 Kansas City Chiefs? LMAO!

You guys need to worry about what teams like the Dolphins, Colts, and Broncos are doing.

Don't worry about what elite teams like the Raiders are doing.

whoman69 · 10-18-2011, 01:31 PM

Here's to hoping he kept his skills sharp just like Kerry Collins.

whoman69 · 10-18-2011, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by IPwnFools

I mean I would expect a 300 reply thread on the Chargers board. Since, you know, our teams are actually competing with each other for the division title.

But the 2-3 Kansas City Chiefs? LMAO!

You guys need to worry about what teams like the Dolphins, Colts, and Broncos are doing.

Don't worry about what elite teams like the Raiders are doing.

Elite? Based on what? I don't know what's funnier, the statement itself or the delusion you have to believe it.

Sofa King · 10-18-2011, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IPwnFools

I mean I would expect a 300 reply thread on the Chargers board. Since, you know, our teams are actually competing with each other for the division title.

But the 2-3 Kansas City Chiefs? LMAO!

You guys need to worry about what teams like the Dolphins, Colts, and Broncos are doing.

Don't worry about what elite teams like the Raiders are doing.

Didn't you get the memo? This board is untrollable this year.

IPwnFools · 10-18-2011, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by whoman69

Elite? Based on what? I don't know what's funnier, the statement itself or the delusion you have to believe it.

If Chris Johnson catches a pass that was thrown right to him by Ryan Fitzpatrick, the Raiders are 5-1. Which would be the best record in the AFC.

So, yeah, we're elite.

The only teams in the AFC that you MAYBE argue that are better than the Raiders are New England and MAYBE Baltimore. Other then that, nope.

**Ming the Merciless** · 10-18-2011, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IPwnFools

I mean I would expect a 300 reply thread on the Chargers board. Since, you know, our teams are actually competing with each other for the division title.

But the 2-3 Kansas City Chiefs? LMAO!

You guys need to worry about what teams like the Dolphins, Colts, and Broncos are doing.

Don't worry about what elite teams like the Raiders are doing.

You are joking right? The Raiders are not even favorites to win the AFC west, which is a pretty bad division....

Trololol

10-18-2011, 01:17 PM	#361
bevischief .... Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Somewhere Kansas Casino cash: $8369352 VARSITY	http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...m-playoff-win/ Second first-round pick for Palmer comes from playoff win Posted by Mike Florio on October 18, 2011, 1:55 PM EDT Carson Palmer AP During Monday’s Raiders-Bengals edition of PFT Live, FOX’s Jay Glazer said that the Bengals get a second first-round pick if the Raiders win a playoff game in 2011. Otherwise, the Bengals get a first-round pick in 2012 and a second-round pick in 2013. ESPN’s Chris Mortensen also has reported these basic terms. Here are a few quick takes regarding the deal. 1. With the new CBA implementing a real rookie wage scale, first-round picks are worth more than they were before 2011, especially in the upper reaches of the round. Teams can now acquire blue-chip talent at far lower pay, squatting on them for at least five years. At a time when not many players have been yielding first-round picks via trade, the possibility that the Raiders will give up two of them for Palmer is stunning. 2. Even if Palmer stinks and the Raiders otherwise make it to the postseason and win one game, the compensation becomes two first-rounders. It’s unknown whether the Raiders pressed for a trigger based on Palmer’s performance, but given the way he played last year, it would have made sense to get such protection. 2. The Broncos may be kicking themselves for sending receiver Brandon Lloyd to the Rams for a sixth-round pick that can become a fifth-round pick. After the Palmer deal, it seems that maybe the Broncos could have done better. 3. Or not. The Palmer trade could make it difficult if not impossible to get any more trades accomplished before this year’s deadline, since the team with the player who would be traded will (or at least should) start the talks by pointing out what the Raiders gave up for Palmer. 4. Palmer reportedly has said he’ll never again set foot in Paul Brown Stadium. Under the current scheduling formula, he will next year. 5. If the Raiders win the AFC West and the Bengals capture a wild-card berth, Cincy could face a no-lose situation in the postseason, if the playoff tree sends Cincinnati to Oakland. Win the game and advance, lose the game and get a second first-round pick. 6. As Paul Gutierrez of CSN Bay Area pointed out during PFT Live, Raiders coach Hue Jackson clearly is running the show in Oakland. And he’s taking a big risk that Palmer won’t be worth the price that was paid. Which could eventually limit Jackson’s influence, if Palmer doesn’t deliver. 7. As Joe Reedy of the Cincinnati Enquirer pointed out during PFT Live, the Bengals ultimately can thank the Browns for helping the Bengals get up to two first-round picks for Palmer. If the Browns don’t break Jason Campbell’s collarbone, Palmer doesn’t get traded until 2012, at the earliest. 8. Palmer’s decision not to file retirement papers made it easier for the deal to go down quickly, since Palmer didn’t have to send a letter to the Commissioner with a request to be reinstated to the active roster. 9. If receiver Chad Ochocinco gets cut by the Patriots, his beeline to the Bay may not happen. There’s a belief that Palmer has had enough of Chad, and that Palmer wouldn’t want to play with him again. 10. Terrelle Pryor’s career is now on hold indefinitely, unless he enters the game in a Wildcat package or plays another position. 11. Carson Palmer eventually got what he wanted, without drawing much criticism. As others in the media have pointed out, it’s hard to imagine other players essentially quitting on their team to force a trade and not being called out aggressively.
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IPwnFools Starter Join Date: Oct 2011 Casino cash: $10004900	I mean I would expect a 300 reply thread on the Chargers board. Since, you know, our teams are actually competing with each other for the division title. But the 2-3 Kansas City Chiefs? LMAO! You guys need to worry about what teams like the Dolphins, Colts, and Broncos are doing. Don't worry about what elite teams like the Raiders are doing.
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