Dorsey: There is no definite first round QB

[RunKC]

No clear quarterback choice for Chiefs in the draft
By ADAM TEICHER
Kansas City Star
Published Saturday, Feb. 16, 2013, at 3:36 p.m.
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Pros and cons
Matt Barkley, 6-2, 230, USC: Superb leadership skills, the first one at practice or meetings and the last one to leave. But his arm strength is suspect. May be a system fit.

Mike Glennon, 6-7, 220, North Carolina State: Strong arm. He’s easily able to make all the necessary throws. But a lack of mobility could be a problem against a strong pass rush.

Ryan Nassib, 6-2, 225, Syracuse: Good mobility and throws well on the run. But he’s a late-bloomer who might need more seasoning before he’s ready for the NFL.

Geno Smith, 6-3, 210, West Virginia: Has best ability of all the top prospects. Was durable in college, but he’s not an imposing specimen. So how will he hold up in the NFL?

Tyler Wilson, 6-2, 220, Arkansas: Will stand in and take a hit but still make an accurate throw. But he’s short for an ideal NFL quarterback and has small hands, which could lead to fumbling problems.

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — The Chiefs spent the last several days setting their draft board in preparation for this week’s NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. The process merely confirmed for new general manager John Dorsey that when it comes to quarterbacks, their homework is only starting.

Opinions on the top available quarterbacks in this year’s draft are that varied.

“There is no quarterback where personnel guys can definitely say, ‘He’s a first-round pick,’ ” Dorsey said. “There were so many inconsistencies in the collective group. There was not one guy that stood up and said, ‘I’m the guy in the position this year.’ There really wasn’t one clear-cut guy.

“There are too many technical flaws, scheme flaws. There are so many different variables that there are a lot of people all over the place on naming the top four or five guys and who those guys would be.”

The Chiefs aren’t the only team having trouble sorting through the top quarterback prospects. From the natural ability of West Virginia’s Geno Smith to the smooth leadership skills of USC’s Matt Barkley to the willingness to take a hit in the face of a strong pass rush of Arkansas’ Tyler Wilson, there are plenty of things to like.

There are reasons to pause just the same. Smith faltered late last fall against better competition. Barkley and Wilson had disappointing, injury-marred senior seasons.

This is a particular problem for teams like the Chiefs, who have a gaping need at quarterback. Dorsey didn’t say so specifically, but he didn’t sound like the Chiefs were planning to take a quarterback with the first pick in this year’s draft.

More likely, the Chiefs will select a quarterback later in the draft — if they take one at all.

Dorsey said both he and coach Andy Reid would be in attendance at the workouts of most, if not all, of the top available quarterbacks.

“I think Andy is a really good evaluator of quarterbacks,” Dorsey said. “I want him and I to go to as many quarterback workouts as possible and actually set our own up.”

The quarterback rankings for last year’s draft were determined almost a year in advance. Stanford’s Andrew Luck was a consensus choice to be the top player selected as soon as the 2011 draft was finished. Baylor’s Robert Griffin III came on as a senior to win the Heisman Trophy and make the race interesting, but in the end, Luck was selected first by Indianapolis. Griffin was taken with the next pick by Washington.

“Last year was an easy evaluation,” draft analyst Mel Kiper said. “Automatically, you put Andrew Luck and RG III up there.”

This year, quarterback ratings are scattered. Some teams like Smith, but others have different favorites, like Barkley, Wilson, North Carolina State’s Mike Glennon or Syracuse’s Ryan Nassib.

“The year didn’t go the way Barkley and the USC Trojans hoped,” Kiper said. “He began the year number one on my big board. You saw what happened with USC. They lost four games with Barkley at quarterback and lost a couple more when he was hurt. They didn’t have a signature win all year. They dropped down the rankings from number one and he dropped down the rankings from number one.

“Geno Smith started out great. It looked like after Barkley struggled you could lock Geno Smith in. Then he has a disappointing second half of the season, so there are issues in terms of what type of starting quarterback he can be. Glennon was hot for a while even though he had a subpar supporting cast, and he didn’t play great (in the bowl game) against Vanderbilt and didn’t have a wow-you-over Senior Bowl week.

“Things didn’t fall into place at Arkansas, and that affected Tyler Wilson. The wheels came off for all the quarterbacks at some point (last) year. Things just didn’t fall right to allow them to maximize their ability. That’s why the teams are right now in the predicament they are, trying to figure this whole quarterback thing out and not overdraft or push a guy up when he’s not deserving.”

Kiper doesn’t have a quarterback rated among his top 25 players. In fact, in his latest mock draft, Kiper doesn’t have a single quarterback being selected in the first round.

“It’s just a tough evaluation, trying to figure out which quarterbacks in this draft, if any, will be great starting quarterbacks,” he said.

Dorsey said he expects at least two quarterbacks to be drafted in the first round because so many teams have a need. It’s a matter, though, of which ones.

Things could solidify in the next couple of months. The draft doesn’t begin until April 25. Meanwhile, the combine begins this week, followed by pro days on college campuses and then individual workouts.

To Dorsey, at least, personal interviews might be the most important part of the postseason draft process. He said a quarterback can improve his draft standing with a series of strong interviews.

“The most impressive interview I’ve ever had in the last 25 years of doing this? Russell Wilson,” said Dorsey, referring to the quarterback drafted by Seattle last year in the third round. “Wasn’t even close. You could feel that guy as a person, how strong he was, how intellectually deep he was, how mentally tough he was, that he had the charisma to lead other players. I always try to look at kids like I’m in the locker room and I’m a teammate. It was easy to see this guy leading a team.

“A quarterback wants to come across in the interview process as confident, as having a vast understanding and knowledge of defenses, as being capable of leading a group of men. That’s what you’ve got to convey to the teams. On film, his physical traits and skills will come out. But you have to over the next few weeks impress on teams the character of his soul, his ability to lead a franchise.”

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[milkman]

Originally Posted by Rugby Thompson

Dorsey was never the reason behind Aaron Rodgers, are people fuccing reeruned?

This is irony at it's finest.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by Rugby Thompson

This just proves how arrogant Dorsey is

Based on what?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Based on what?

The fact that the guy who just typed that in which you replied to, is actually missing a chromosome. I wouldn't get too worked up about it.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by Rugby Thompson

Dorsey was never the reason behind Aaron Rodgers, are people fuccing reeruned?

Of course he wasn't the sole reason. However, were you in the room to know how strong or little of a voice he had?

You try too hard to be Hamas with about the intelligence level of Royr.

[MagicHef]

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

Geno had what? A 70% completion percentage this year in the Big XII? That's ****ing incredible. It's not his fault he had no defense. To say there are no 1st round QB's in the entire draft is ****ing incredulous. It's a sham. And I'm not sure what the end game is. Has there EVER in the HISTORY of the NFL been a draft where NO QB was taken in the entire 1st round? Complete horseshit.

Yep. 1996 was the last time it happened.

[ChiefMojo]

I've tried to stay out of this thread but this whole QB debate at #1 isn't worth it anymore. I'm resigned to the fact weeks ago that we weren't likely taking a QB #1 overall.

It is a fact I'm a Geno fan but I'm also haven't dug myself into a hole with the thought it is Geno and only Geno at #1.

I'm just blown away by the fact that about every single talking head and now our very own GM is beating the drum that there is no QB worth the #1 pick let alone possibly in the 1st round in general... that is down right scary and damning!!! Of all the years to have the #1 pick and this happens... it is freaking karma!

Frankly there are players in this draft that are deemed #1 pick worthy but not one guy that stands above the others. This is what makes this pick so difficult, let alone the whole QB factor. We could see anywhere from a LT, 3-4 DE or a CB (and I don't see Milliner as even a top 5 pick) go #1. Imo if it isn't QB and it has to be out of one of these three positions, I'm taking the damn 3-4 DE. Star, Richardson or even Floyd are all tremendous DT's that could play anywhere up and down the DL at a high level.

Teams normally have their draft boards set before they enter the combine. The combine/pro-days are the players only chances to move up or back what the front offices are seeing on film. If there is a chance for a QB to go #1, it will happen through interviews like Dorsey said... that QB is going to have to blow Dorsey away.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by SNR

Just as no QB is Andrew Luck in this class, Dee Milliner is no Haden or even Patrick Peterson. He's not a stellar must-have shut down corner.

Yet nobody talks about this. Milliner is an option for guys like Kiper, but a QB is not. QB, which is INFINITELY more important than CB.

Makes no ****ing sense

And you can say the same thing about pass rusher. There is no Von Miller this year.

If Dorsey thinks it's the worst idea ever to select at QB at #1, does he realize that this draft is pretty much "Pick an OT or get ****ed"?

And if the Chiefs let Albert walk, for us it will be "Pick an OT AND get ****ed"

[The Bad Guy]

The workouts are either going to make or break it. It's going to be the same deal as with Cam Netwon and Bradford. They won the workout battles. Bradford put on a clinic in his interviews and pro day.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by SNR

And you can say the same thing about pass rusher. There is no Von Miller this year.

If Dorsey thinks it's the worst idea ever to select at QB at #1, does he realize that this draft is pretty much "Pick an OT or get ****ed"?

And if the Chiefs let Albert walk, for us it will be "Pick an OT AND get ****ed"

If we aren't taking a QB, as much as it sucks to say this, I'd probably end up letting Albert walk and taking Joeckel.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

You try too hard to be Hamas with about the intelligence level of Royr.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

The workouts are either going to make or break it. It's going to be the same deal as with Cam Netwon and Bradford. They won the workout battles. Bradford put on a clinic in his interviews and pro day.

I think this might be what this is ultimately saying in this article.

"We aren't sold on any of the QB's yet, we will decide after teh combine and prodays".

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

The workouts are either going to make or break it. It's going to be the same deal as with Cam Netwon and Bradford. They won the workout battles. Bradford put on a clinic in his interviews and pro day.

I just don't see how a GM can put much stock into a workout with 4 years of tape out there.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Hello Nick Foles.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by O.city

If we aren't taking a QB, as much as it sucks to say this, I'd probably end up letting Albert walk and taking Joeckel.

I don't think I'd do that.

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by O.city

If we aren't taking a QB, as much as it sucks to say this, I'd probably end up letting Albert walk and taking Joeckel.

I don't agree with this. I am not letting a guy go just so my first pick can seem more clear. If you think Albert is healthy then keep him. Worry about the pick later. Don't let a good player go just to make your first pick seem easier. Then you are just treading water by adding Joeckel. At least if you sign Albert and draft another guy you are ending up with a good LT plus another player.