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Old 05-21-2014, 09:51 AM  
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***The Official Chiefs OTA's Thread***
Might as well get this started since we are within a week of it beginning.


OTA offseason workouts: May 27-29, June 3-5, June 10-13
Mandatory minicamp: June 17-19


Feel free to post Chiefs camp updates here.

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Old 06-03-2014, 07:38 AM   #361
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He's just as qualified as anyone on this board making comments about his accuracy, no?

And unlike everyone on this board judging him from his QB play in college, TJ is judging him from what he saw a week ago...not two years ago.

Everyone gets so caught up in his play at TN, yet ignore how he has done since arriving to KC.

Lastly, TJ isn't the only media member making these comments.
You mean TJ is judging Bray while he is throwing in shorts / controlled environmen - Anything but full speed/ contact, right?
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Old 06-03-2014, 07:43 AM   #362
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Agreed with all, and as you say, its damn sexy... but if the guy has all of the other skills, then that big arm becomes a major advantage.
For divisions with outdoor teams and bad weather late in the year and post-season, I think having a strong armed QB helps - Pitt & Baltimore.

If your run a WCO it obviously doesn't matter as much.
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Old 06-03-2014, 07:44 AM   #363
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You mean TJ is judging Bray while he is throwing in shorts / controlled environmen - Anything but full speed/ contact, right?
If you can't throw it in shorts without pressure, you'd think they would do worse in live action.
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Old 06-03-2014, 07:48 AM   #364
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You mean TJ is judging Bray while he is throwing in shorts / controlled environmen - Anything but full speed/ contact, right?
The last time he was in pads was last preseason, unfortunately.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=316

He did okay.

People here want him to fail and are still stuck on his college performance. The guy has improved....but people just ignore that.
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Arm strength is the most overrated attribute for a QB. Of the elite QB, the only QB you'd classify as having a cannon is Aaron Rodgers. Tom Brady and Peyton Manning's arm aren't much better than average. Drew Brees is above average but not stellar. Phillip Rivers is barely above average.

A cannon is nice, but it's not necessary at all. Of Aaron Rodger's 552 attempts in 2012, only 16 (2.9%) went over 30 yards. Quarterbacks don't fail because of arm strength. They fail because of decision making and accuracy. On the flip side, quarterbacks don't win because of arm strength, they win because of decision making and accuracy.

This is correct.

Peyton, with a fraction of the average-ish arm strength he had to begin with, just had the best season a QBs ever had. That tells you all you need to know.
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Old 06-03-2014, 08:06 AM   #366
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This is correct.

Peyton, with a fraction of the average-ish arm strength he had to begin with, just had the best season a QBs ever had. That tells you all you need to know.
Right.

Peyton is a cerebral assassin though.

Arm Strength isn't the end-all to a QB's success...but to imply that it is overrated is hogwash.
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QB with a rocket launcher for an arm is awfully sexy.

But in the grand scheme of things it doesn't mean shit.

As long as it's not a ****in noodle arm, I think arm strength is the most overrated aspect of the QB position.
Exactly. Peyton, Brady, Rivers and Brees don't have howitzer arms. Average to slightly above average at best. Rivers is supposedly "the best" deep ball thrower in the last 5 or so years but when you look at the throws, most of them are chuck-em-ups where the receiver has to stop, turn around, then win the jump ball.
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I'm excited to see how bray does in preseason. Should be better than Daniel
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Indeed.

He was better last preseason.
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Indeed.

He was better last preseason.
I'm curious to see how he's developed after a year of learning and adjusting to the NFL
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Apparently he hasnt according to posters here. Because he was not accurate in college.
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Right.

Peyton is a cerebral assassin though.

Arm Strength isn't the end-all to a QB's success...but to imply that it is overrated is hogwash.
I don't know. I don't pretend to have all the answers but it does indeed appear to be an overrated measuring point.

Top strong arms QBs in the league (debatable, obviously):
Matt Stafford
Aaron Rodgers
Joe Flacco
Colin Kaepernick
Mike Vick
Andrew Luck

Top rated QBs in the league:
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I'm headed in a meeting in a few, but 810 is suppose to have todays camp updates around 1:30 if anyone is listening and cares to post what they say.
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