Royals (New) 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository - Page 259

duncan_idaho · 08-15-2013, 08:13 AM

New thread, this time with more burst.

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

**Bowser** · 12-14-2013, 09:42 PM

Billy needs winterball more than Sal does. God forbid they find a way to help him lose 20 lbs or so while sharpening up on his 1b skillzz.

C3HIEF3S · 12-14-2013, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ComoLaz

this

just stop already, catcher wear out faster anyway

Don't think he's playing catcher down there.

duncan_idaho · 12-14-2013, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Brianfo

Why is Sal Perez playing winterball? He's already the best catcher is baseball.

He's playing 1B for Pedro Grifol's team. He's not catching at all.

Really just a way for him to get more hitting experience while staying in playing shape.

**DeezNutz** · 12-14-2013, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Hoch is one of the few guys the homers underrate

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As ****ing what? A Reliever? Not hardly.

duncan_idaho · 12-15-2013, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

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As ****ing what? A Reliever? Not hardly.

If you rely solely on advanced stats, Luke Hochevar looks much better than he actually is.

He's one of those guys who just constantly underperforms his peripherals (just like guys like Jeremy Guthrie and Bruce Chen constantly outperform them).

PB has a hard time separating that/recognizing that.

**Anyong Bluth** · 12-15-2013, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Brainiac

I've said all along that I don't want the Royals to bring Ervin Santana back. He had a nice season in his salary drive year, but he is too damn inconsistent from one year to the next. If the Royals had unlimited funds it would be different. They need to work on extending James Shields.

I was going to disagree with you until that last sentence, but really, is is even possible they would be able to get Shields extended or resign him, because pitching just doesn't hit the open market a lot and I'm sure he's gonna get some lucrative offers... .

**Anyong Bluth** · 12-15-2013, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Archie F. Swin

We probably benefit from waiting Santana out. I mean, if anyone wanted to give him 5yrs, they probably would have already right?

If you were GMDM, what would you realistically offer Ervin?

No, I don't think that any team is going to go 5 years on him- I have my doubts about 4.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser

Billy needs winterball more than Sal does. God forbid they find a way to help him lose 20 lbs or so while sharpening up on his 1b skillzz.

Can we just slip a few medicinal tapeworms in his BBQ ?

That will surely trim him down by Spring Training!

stonedstooge · 12-15-2013, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

Billy needs winterball more than Sal does. God forbid they find a way to help him lose 20 lbs or so while sharpening up on his 1b skillzz.

He lost a lot of his bat speed last year. Those high outer plate balls he used to hit hard to the opposite field got fouled off (or whiffed) instead. I hope he finds it, or he may never live up to expectations again. He also needs to find a way to lay off the low and away sliders. Those just killed him last year

Unsmooth Moment · 12-15-2013, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by stonedstooge

He lost a lot of his bat speed last year. Those high outer plate balls he used to hit hard to the opposite field got fouled off (or whiffed) instead. I hope he finds it, or he may never live up to expectations again. He also needs to find a way to lay off the low and away sliders. Those just killed him last year

Probably needs to lay off the sliders at Applebee's too.

Demonpenz · 12-15-2013, 11:57 AM

Butlers never hurt and he is a top 5 DH even in a down year. Don't change a thing billy.

Prison Bitch · 12-15-2013, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz

Butlers never hurt and he is a top 5 DH even in a down year. Don't change a thing billy.

He was less valuable last year than Dyson or Lough were. He was a fat loser last year no arguments necessary. If I'm wrong, the team wouldn't be so desperate to move him. That right there tells you all you need to know. Don't be a blind homer

**SAUTO** · 12-15-2013, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

He was less valuable last year than Dyson or Lough were. He was a fat loser last year no arguments necessary. If I'm wrong, the team wouldn't be so desperate to move him. That right there tells you all you need to know. Don't be a blind homer

link to the desperateness?

if they were very desperate he would be gone, idiot.

Prison Bitch · 12-15-2013, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

link to the desperateness?

if they were very desperate he would be gone, idiot.

Wow, that's a stupid rebuttal.

**SAUTO** · 12-15-2013, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Wow, that's a stupid rebuttal.

and you followed with one that was even more stupid...

like I said, if they were desperate he would be gone.

Prison Bitch · 12-15-2013, 12:26 PM

Dumb. His market is extremely limited. And he carries an 8M price tag. Surely you know it's not easy o trade him.

08-15-2013, 08:13 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1470308	(New) 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository New thread, this time with more burst. Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?
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