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**HemiEd** · 12:48 PM

Owners of Toyota Cars in Rebellion Over Series of Accidents Caused by Sudden Acceleration

Anyone else been following this story? They had a pretty graphic show on nightline about it last night.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Runawa...ory?id=8980479

Refusing to accept the explanation of Toyota and the federal government, hundreds of Toyota owners are in rebellion after a series of accidents caused by what they call "runaway cars."

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Department of Transportation: underlying defect causes accelerators to stick.

More PhotosSafety analysts found an estimated 2000 cases in which owners of Toyota cars including Camry, Prius and Lexus, reported that their cars surged without warning up to speeds of 100 miles per hour.

CLICK HERE FOR MORE OF THE RUNAWAY TOYOTAS STORY.

Toyota says the incidents are caused by floor mats becoming stuck under gas pedals, but owners say that's not what happened to them.

Watch the full report tonight on 'World News with Charles Gibson' and 'Nightline'.

"I'm absolutely certain that in my situation, it was not the floor mats," Elizabeth James told ABC News. She was driving her Toyota Prius outside Denver, CO when she says it suddenly shot up to 90 miles an hour, even though her foot was on the brake and not the gas pedal.

"I kept going faster and faster," James said. "And all of a sudden… my foot was pressing on the brake super, super hard and I wasn't slowing down."

James and some other Toyota owners suspect the accidents have been caused by some kind of glitch in the electronic computer system used in Toyotas that controls the throttle.

http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2...at-recall.html

Brock · 03-25-2010, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

What the **** does that prove dumbass? Nothing, nothing at all.

I figured you were too stupid, or too senile to get it.

**HemiEd** · 03-25-2010, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater

I think it says more about older drivers than Toyotas.

Providing the stats are correct, since there is no link or supporting data, (typical Brock), there is one more 50 to 60 year old, than 16 to 21.

Could that possibly be due to more 50 to 60 year old people drive these newer cars? It just might, but then to get an accurate picture, we need that data as well.

It says nothing, nothing at all, except the graph was made to look dramatic.

**Bugeater** · 03-25-2010, 02:09 PM

I wonder if the demographics of the owners of the affected models breaks down similarly, a lot of old people drive these cars. Which is strange because I thought old people hated Japan because of WWII.

**HemiEd** · 03-25-2010, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

I figured you were too stupid, or too senile to get it.

Where did the figures come from? What are the percentage of these age groups driving these cars? Do you even understand the relationship?

You are clearly owned in this thread, now go stick your head back in the sand.

**Bugeater** · 03-25-2010, 02:12 PM

I suppose it also depends on what they are considering 'incidents', if they are only talking about ones that result in accidents I could definitely see why the older drivers are more affected since their reaction times are much slower and are more likely to panic.

Brock · 03-25-2010, 02:14 PM

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wha...iable-edition/

All of your stupid questions answered, grampa.

**HemiEd** · 03-25-2010, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater

I suppose it also depends on what they are considering 'incidents', if they are only talking about ones that result in accidents I could definitely see why the older drivers are more affected since their reaction times are much slower and are more likely to panic.

Hell, we don't even know who "they" are, let alone what they consider an incident. Just more bullshit, with no link or supporting data.

But yeah, a person should be able catch a fly in the summer heat, to safely drive a new car.

**Bugeater** · 03-25-2010, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wha...iable-edition/

All of your stupid questions answered, grampa.

A lot of the comments are raising the same points we are.

**Bugeater** · 03-25-2010, 02:21 PM

I am curious as to what Brock's hypothesis is on this, is he thinking that old people are unknowingly mashing the gas pedal to the floor and blaming it on UIA?

**HemiEd** · 03-25-2010, 02:23 PM

He has no hypothesis, other than "American cars are bad" and "jap cars are gooder" and any one that says different is stupid or old.

Brock · 03-29-2010, 09:02 AM

Some rebellion.

The Nikkei [sub] reports that Toyota’s domestic output in Japan rose 119.6 percent on the year to 309,933 units in February, up for the fourth straight month. Toyota’s exports increased 106.9 percent to 150,232 units, the second straight monthly improvement. Sales in Japan grew 49.9 percent from the previous year to 149,604 units last month, up for the seventh month in a row. Toyota’s overseas output was likewise unimpressed by the avalanche of auto-accelerating autos. It improved 58.8 percent to 345,247 units, marking the seventh consecutive month of growth.

CrazyHorse · 03-29-2010, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Some rebellion.

The Nikkei [sub] reports that Toyota’s domestic output in Japan rose 119.6 percent on the year to 309,933 units in February, up for the fourth straight month. Toyota’s exports increased 106.9 percent to 150,232 units, the second straight monthly improvement. Sales in Japan grew 49.9 percent from the previous year to 149,604 units last month, up for the seventh month in a row. Toyota’s overseas output was likewise unimpressed by the avalanche of auto-accelerating autos. It improved 58.8 percent to 345,247 units, marking the seventh consecutive month of growth.

Whats your point? How stupid the consumer is? Or how dense you are?

Brock · 03-29-2010, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

Whats your point? How stupid the consumer is? Or how dense you are?

What, the consumer's stupid because they're ignoring some miniscule percentage of problem cars, when the problem isn't even proven to be a problem? My viewpoint is unchanged, it's a tempest in a teapot.

JD10367 · 03-29-2010, 11:11 AM

If one person says their car accelerated out of control, I blame the person.

When hundreds say it, I blame the car. Especially since fatalities have occurred, and some have reported the problem post-"fix".

For Toyota or anyone to blame it all on floormats or old people is reeruned. Especially when, in today's world of electronics, it's very clear that something could easily be tricking out the electronically-controlled accelerator.

I've never owned a Toyota. Before this, I would've. Now? No. If I can choose between Toyota and, say, Honda and Nissan, I think I'll choose the company WITHOUT the history of possibly killing me.

**HemiEd** · 03-29-2010, 11:15 AM

A tempest?

"With more than 3,000 complaints to U.S. regulators of random sudden acceleration problems in Toyota models, several researchers say single-event upsets deserve a close look."

Step right up, one and all, be the first on your block to experience the randomness of control. It is a thrill you will not soon forget!

11-04-2009, 11:44 AM
HemiEd Supporter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ozarks Casino cash: $2820564	Owners of Toyota Cars in Rebellion Over Accidents Caused by Sudden acceleration. Owners of Toyota Cars in Rebellion Over Series of Accidents Caused by Sudden Acceleration Anyone else been following this story? They had a pretty graphic show on nightline about it last night. http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Runawa...ory?id=8980479 Refusing to accept the explanation of Toyota and the federal government, hundreds of Toyota owners are in rebellion after a series of accidents caused by what they call "runaway cars." Share Department of Transportation: underlying defect causes accelerators to stick. More PhotosSafety analysts found an estimated 2000 cases in which owners of Toyota cars including Camry, Prius and Lexus, reported that their cars surged without warning up to speeds of 100 miles per hour. CLICK HERE FOR MORE OF THE RUNAWAY TOYOTAS STORY. Toyota says the incidents are caused by floor mats becoming stuck under gas pedals, but owners say that's not what happened to them. Watch the full report tonight on 'World News with Charles Gibson' and 'Nightline'. "I'm absolutely certain that in my situation, it was not the floor mats," Elizabeth James told ABC News. She was driving her Toyota Prius outside Denver, CO when she says it suddenly shot up to 90 miles an hour, even though her foot was on the brake and not the gas pedal. "I kept going faster and faster," James said. "And all of a sudden… my foot was pressing on the brake super, super hard and I wasn't slowing down." James and some other Toyota owners suspect the accidents have been caused by some kind of glitch in the electronic computer system used in Toyotas that controls the throttle. http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2...at-recall.html Last edited by HemiEd; 11-04-2009 at 12:48 PM..
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03-25-2010, 02:09 PM	#378
Bugeater The Maintenance Guy Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Renovated Bugeater Estate Casino cash: $6232680	I wonder if the demographics of the owners of the affected models breaks down similarly, a lot of old people drive these cars. Which is strange because I thought old people hated Japan because of WWII.
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Bugeater The Maintenance Guy Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Renovated Bugeater Estate Casino cash: $6232680	I suppose it also depends on what they are considering 'incidents', if they are only talking about ones that result in accidents I could definitely see why the older drivers are more affected since their reaction times are much slower and are more likely to panic.
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03-25-2010, 02:21 PM	#384
Bugeater The Maintenance Guy Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Renovated Bugeater Estate Casino cash: $6232680	I am curious as to what Brock's hypothesis is on this, is he thinking that old people are unknowingly mashing the gas pedal to the floor and blaming it on UIA?
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03-25-2010, 02:23 PM	#385
HemiEd Supporter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ozarks Casino cash: $2820564	He has no hypothesis, other than "American cars are bad" and "jap cars are gooder" and any one that says different is stupid or old.
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03-29-2010, 09:02 AM	#386
Brock Say hello to my little friend Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Larryville Casino cash: $9598422	Some rebellion. The Nikkei [sub] reports that Toyota’s domestic output in Japan rose 119.6 percent on the year to 309,933 units in February, up for the fourth straight month. Toyota’s exports increased 106.9 percent to 150,232 units, the second straight monthly improvement. Sales in Japan grew 49.9 percent from the previous year to 149,604 units last month, up for the seventh month in a row. Toyota’s overseas output was likewise unimpressed by the avalanche of auto-accelerating autos. It improved 58.8 percent to 345,247 units, marking the seventh consecutive month of growth.
Posts: 47,314

03-29-2010, 11:11 AM	#389
JD10367 Cheaterlover* Join Date: May 2009 Location: RI Casino cash: $10010716	If one person says their car accelerated out of control, I blame the person. When hundreds say it, I blame the car. Especially since fatalities have occurred, and some have reported the problem post-"fix". For Toyota or anyone to blame it all on floormats or old people is reeruned. Especially when, in today's world of electronics, it's very clear that something could easily be tricking out the electronically-controlled accelerator. I've never owned a Toyota. Before this, I would've. Now? No. If I can choose between Toyota and, say, Honda and Nissan, I think I'll choose the company WITHOUT the history of possibly killing me.
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03-29-2010, 11:15 AM	#390
HemiEd Supporter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ozarks Casino cash: $2820564	A tempest? "With more than 3,000 complaints to U.S. regulators of random sudden acceleration problems in Toyota models, several researchers say single-event upsets deserve a close look." Step right up, one and all, be the first on your block to experience the randomness of control. It is a thrill you will not soon forget!
Posts: 33,608