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Old 02-27-2013, 12:45 PM  
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Alex Smith did, does, and will always suck. (part 2)




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Old 12-17-2013, 05:16 PM   #376
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"Kind of QB we should expect him to be?" You're grading him on a curve.

You don't get an A if your unit disappears for half the game (like the Chiefs O did in the middle of that game - and only one of those drives ENDED because of drops).

You don't get an A when you score 28 points as a team, with 7 of them being special teams/defensive scores. And another 7 being put up on a 22-yard drive set up by your defense.

You don't get an A when you throw a bad pick on 1st and goal in the end zone.

Alex Smith was OK in that game. He did some nice things. That's what it isn't a C or lower. But an A performance? Too kind.
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Old 12-17-2013, 05:17 PM   #377
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I bet players and coaches would laugh their collective asses off if they read this stuff.
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Old 12-17-2013, 05:18 PM   #378
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Nobody said he sucks.

This is precisely what I was talking about when I said this place gets dumber by the hour.
And right on cue, two more chime in with idiocy.
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Old 12-17-2013, 05:18 PM   #379
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Holy Christ.

The guy is a starting NFL QB, a former 1st overall pick, and someone we gave up the equivalent of a mid-R1 pick to acquire - and we're supposed to temper expectations?
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Old 12-17-2013, 05:19 PM   #380
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Holy Christ.

The guy is a starting NFL QB, a former 1st overall pick, and someone we gave up the equivalent of a mid-R1 pick to acquire - and we're supposed to temper expectations?
If you are expecting him to be Peyton Manning, then the standard you set is reerunedly high. There are 4 or 5 elite QBs in a lifetime, and getting those guys is a bit of a crapshoot.

Was that an Eli or Flacco like playoff performance? Apart from the last throw, yes, absolutely. The idea that a QB has to not just be perfect, but also overcome repeated players' mistakes... that's something Brady or Manning can do. I think Flacco, Eli, Russell Wilson, Matt Ryan... lots of good QBs would not have pulled off that win, given all that. We were one throw away from tying the game in a game where our defense shit the bed, our receivers were disastrously bad, and we had dumb mistakes like McCluster pinning the ball on the 3. It's not a bad day.
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Old 12-17-2013, 05:22 PM   #381
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Have you enjoyed this season at all?

Seems difficult to do if you're always waiting for the other shoe to drop.
I absolutely have enjoyed this season.

Alex Smith has dramatically exceeded my initial expectations.

Some people can't think logically. It always has to be tinged with emotion.
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Old 12-17-2013, 05:22 PM   #382
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It's dumber to think that he "ABSOLUTELY IS GOING TO FAIL" in the post season and yes people are saying he sucks.
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Old 12-17-2013, 05:24 PM   #383
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I bet players and coaches would laugh their collective asses off if they read this stuff.
Andy Reid agreed with most of us as of the bye week. Unless of course you think he was lying about what he told Smith...
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Old 12-17-2013, 05:24 PM   #384
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There's something really important you glossed over in that quote:

...and all that's there is the 5 yard check down...


As Duncan mentioned earlier, and those of us that have access to the All-22 on NFL.com, along with those that attend the games have said - Smith is checking down when there IS something else there - potentially because he's scared to turn the ball over.

Andy sat him down over the bye week, and coincidentally, it hasn't been nearly as big of an issue. He still take the checkdown over open guys downfield, but not nearly as often as he was pre-bye week.
You left out my last sentence that speaks to that, i didn't absolve him of all blame, he misses open shots just like any of them... but its good to see you recognize that he's definitely been going downfield more lately.

Whats honestly surprised me, is that when he does go downfield its more accurate and in a tighter spiral than what i expected when he signed... his arm is actually better than advertised, he just doesn't use it as often as some.

Axl doesn't do "the duck" very often from what i've seen.
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Old 12-17-2013, 05:24 PM   #385
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If you are expecting him to be Peyton Manning, then the standard you set is reerunedly high. There are 4 or 5 elite QBs in a lifetime, and getting those guys is a bit of a crapshoot.

Was that an Eli or Flacco like playoff performance? Apart from the last throw, yes, absolutely. The idea that a QB has to not just be perfect, but also overcome repeated players' mistakes... that's something Brady or Manning can do. I think Flacco, Eli, Russell Wilson, Matt Ryan... lots of good QBs would not have pulled off that win, given all that. We were one throw away from tying the game in a game where our defense shit the bed, our receivers were disastrously bad, and we had dumb mistakes like McCluster pinning the ball on the 3. It's not a bad day.
We deify a lot of quarterbacks merely because we don't see their warts.

Flacco's played some horseshit games this year and lost. The Ravens are 2-5 on the road this year in large part because Flacco's been a lousy road QB this season (passer rating below 70, 56% passer, 8/11 TD-INT). Likewise with Ryan, Eli and Wilson. We don't see the times they don't come through because we don't watch them that closely.

As a consequence, we just operate under the assumption that they always come through and that when Smith doesn't "FLACCO WOULD'VE WON THAT GAME!!!"

It's nonsense.
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You may be on to something here.....
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If you are expecting him to be Peyton Manning, then the standard you set is reerunedly high. There are 4 or 5 elite QBs in a lifetime, and getting those guys is a bit of a crapshoot.

Was that an Eli or Flacco like playoff performance? Apart from the last throw, yes, absolutely. The idea that a QB has to not just be perfect, but also overcome repeated players' mistakes... that's something Brady or Manning can do. I think Flacco, Eli, Russell Wilson, Matt Ryan... lots of good QBs would not have pulled off that win, given all that. We were one throw away from tying the game in a game where our defense shit the bed, our receivers were disastrously bad, and we had dumb mistakes like McCluster pinning the ball on the 3. It's not a bad day.
Holy shitballs.

I don't expect him to be Peyton Manning but QB's get crucified around here for better performances than he put up in that game.

He gets treated with kid gloves, IMO, because he's been shitty the majority of his career, and because there's an arrowhead on his helmet.
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If you are expecting him to be Peyton Manning, then the standard you set is reerunedly high. There are 4 or 5 elite QBs in a lifetime, and getting those guys is a bit of a crapshoot.

Was that an Eli or Flacco like playoff performance? Apart from the last throw, yes, absolutely. The idea that a QB has to not just be perfect, but also overcome repeated players' mistakes... that's something Brady or Manning can do. I think Flacco, Eli, Russell Wilson, Matt Ryan... lots of good QBs would not have pulled off that win, given all that. We were one throw away from tying the game in a game where our defense shit the bed, our receivers were disastrously bad, and we had dumb mistakes like McCluster pinning the ball on the 3. It's not a bad day.
Who expects that?

Saying it was a grade B game because it was about 50/50 on good things/bad things is not expecting Peyton Manning. It's objectively grading him and accounting for the challenges Alex Smith failed in that game.
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Andy Reid agreed with most of us as of the bye week. Unless of course you think he was lying about what he told Smith...
But he agreed with some of us that Alex was a good QB for the KC Chiefs and gave up 2 2nd rounders as his first move when he became HC.
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