Alex Smith did, does, and will always suck.

[Hammock Parties]

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Jakemall

Because a 20+ point comeback requires only 7 points.

Matt Cassell lead the Chiefs to an 18 point comeback win over the Saints last year. I'm afraid I'm going to need a little more.

I should probably run to the Vikings board and let them know what stud they have on their bench.

[NinerDoug]

Originally Posted by Tiger's Bitch

AS has the ability to throw the ball down the field, he just doesn't have the guts to.

He's a chickenshit.

QB's that play as scared as him don't often find success. Yeah, he won't make the big mistake, but he won't go out and win the game for you either. There will be important games when the team needs him to do just that, and it simply won't be happening because he's a coward.
Closing out the game against the cowgirls is a perfect example of this. Jamaal Charles is the real QB of this team.

He is very cautious, and you won't see big numbers very often. But when you actually need him to step up (i.e., come back), he can do it. He has done it a number of times.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

2 games into 2010 Cassel had 2 picks 1 TD and 243 passing yards.

If you think Smith is going to project to have the same season this year that Cassel did in 2010, I don't even know what to tell you.

Do you Smith is going to go backwards from here? Being serious.

Well, comparing two games to two other games is pointless.... Cassel's first game in 2010 was in a downpour for ~3 quarters against the best pass defense in the league. It was one of his worst rated games, but the 2nd game was actually worse against the Browns... that alone shows there's really no point in comparing, since there are so many variables involved game to game.


To answer your question though, backwards in terms of development is different than ending the season with worse stats than what is projected after two games against the Jaguars and Cowboys.

Statistically, he pretty much has to go backwards if he's going to take any risks at all and throw downfield... yeah, he's not going to end up with a 32/0 TD/INT ratio if he's doing what it takes to beat some of the teams on the schedule.

As far as developing with the new scheme, coaches, etc; I certainly hope he improves, but at the end of the season being efficient doesn't really cut it. Even Matt Cassel did that for one season. Beating Jacksonville and Dallas does nothing as far as showing he's ready to consistently compete with the big boys, and that's the whole point for those of us who have seen retread after retread beat up on mediocre or bad competition just to flame out in the playoffs. He'll get his chances.

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by Tiger's Bitch

AS has the ability to throw the ball down the field, he just doesn't have the guts to.

He's a chickenshit.

QB's that play as scared as him don't often find success. Yeah, he won't make the big mistake, but he won't go out and win the game for you either. There will be important games when the team needs him to do just that, and it simply won't be happening because he's a coward.

Closing out the game against the cowgirls is a perfect example of this. Jamaal Charles is the real QB of this team.

Wow you get my vote for dumbest post in this thread-so congrats-lol You are right Alex should just throw it as hard as he can like Eli did this week-right into triple coverage. Or maybe like Kape did 3 times. You don't win games tossing the ball up for grabs dumbass. They were trying to RUN TIME OFF THE CLOCK!!! Ever hear of it?? How does that make him a coward?

As far as chickenshit- yep that is why Alex was diving backwards on the opening drive. How long has it been since the Chiefs took the ball down the field and scored a TD in the Home Opener?

Funny how every media outlet is praising Alex for his leadership, courage and will to win except for the Idiots on here that have tried to slam him every way possible. When the facts don't work they drag up Cassel stats, when that doesn't work-just make shit up or attack him personally. You guys should just find another team to root for-your obviously not Chiefs fans.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

We're going in circles... I've posted the stats. 2010 Cassel and 2011 Smith are almost identical statistically, and their career stats are just as eerily similar. 2012 Smith had a better rating because his completion percentage was up, but there wasn't a huge difference in projected yardage/TDs/etc. Really, the only significant difference is the win over the Saints in the playoffs, and that yes, Smith continued to improve while Cassel didn't (granted, the 49ers were a better team, but whatever).

I do see it as an upgrade so far... better pocket presence, doesn't curl up into the fetal position at the first sign of trouble, etc... but, being efficient in the first two games while throwing for less than 6 yards per completion doesn't make him significantly better than the 2010 Cassel who had a 27/7 TD/INT ratio and only fumbled twice.

Of course Smith is an upgrade from last season, which isn't saying much, and he has shown more flashes of potential... but, that's it for now. The numbers don't lie. He'll be given a few opportunities this year to possibly win high scoring games (maybe in both of the next two games) and he'll go up against Peyton Manning twice. Of course, he doesn't have to win all of them by throwing for 600 yards and 8 touchdowns, but what he does will go a lot further in determining if he can take it to the next level than talking about the past while he was on a different team with different coaches, etc.

You guys like him, I get it... but, again, you have to understand that we're coming from years and years of retread QBs and years and years of believing it'll be different "this time"... and as much as I'd love for it to be true for the first time in 20 years, as someone who has seen plenty of ~10 win/1 and done seasons, cautious optimism is about the best I can do, and even that's a stretch before the end of the month.

The issue I take with your post here... (and by the way, I appreciate you being respectful in your responses for the most part.. that's rare here)

.. is that Alex has been doing this for the last 2.2.5 years of his career.
(of course, there being a game or two where it just went ugly)

Alex was also significantly sharper from 2011 to 2012... why? improved OL and the players all had more time in the same system. I mention this part because Alex will very likely be even better than what you are seeing currently. That just stands to reason, as the team around him gels more and becomes better versed in the system. Yes?

Cassell was a flash in the pan.. is there not a clear difference here?

[NinerDoug]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

This was addressed. He threw for like 5 yards on the game winning drive.

201 yards passing in the second half.

[NinerDoug]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Matt Cassell lead the Chiefs to an 18 point comeback win over the Saints last year. I'm afraid I'm going to need a little more.

I should probably run to the Vikings board and let them know what stud they have on their bench.

You are missing the point. No one is saying Alex is elite, is a stud, is Aaron Rodgers, etc.

Point: People are saying that he won't come through for you with his arm when you need it. The point about the comebacks is only that he has done it, a number of times.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by NinerDoug

You are missing the point. No one is saying Alex is elite, is a stud, is Aaron Rodgers, etc.

Point: People are saying that he won't come through for you with his arm when you need it. The point about the comebacks is only that he has done it, a number of times.

So had Matty Cassell and Jamarcus Russell. If you are in the league long enough you'll have a few comback wins.

We'll see on Thursday. Maybe he wins over a new fan if I see 350 yards passing and 3td's in a 31-28 win.

[JENKINSWINS]

100% of the time KC gets a TD in the red zone!

GO ALEX!

[NinerDoug]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

So had Matty Cassell and Jamarcus Russell. If you are in the league long enough you'll have a few comback wins.

We'll see on Thursday. Maybe he wins over a new fan if I see 350 yards passing and 3td's in a 31-28 win.

Everybody knows that ain't happening. But you might just get that W.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by NinerDoug

But you might just get that W.

worthless without great stats!

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by NinerDoug

Everybody knows that ain't happening. But you might just get that W.

If we KNOW that ain't happening then we KNOW we don't have the right guy behind center. Eventually that HAS to happen to win a few games you otherwise wouldn't.

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

So had Matty Cassell and Jamarcus Russell. If you are in the league long enough you'll have a few comback wins.

We'll see on Thursday. Maybe he wins over a new fan if I see 350 yards passing and 3td's in a 31-28 win.

Nope the bandwagon is full. You painted yourself in the corner all summer and you can stay there. Calling him Alice and every other name. So put on your Eagles gear and keep rooting against him with all your minions.

We might not win on a short week-but it won't change the fact that Alex will be here for a very long time.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by stevieray

worthless without great stats!

Good point. Tho hell those stat raking fantasy quarterbacks everyone loves like Brady, Brees, Rodgers, and Manning. Worthless they are. Give me Dilfer and Grossman anyday! They are superbowl calibers QB's as well after all.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

Nope the bandwagon is full. You painted yourself in the corner all summer and you can stay there. Calling him Alice and every other name. So put on your Eagles gear and keep rooting against him with all your minions.

We might not win on a short week-but it won't change the fact that Alex will be here for a very long time.

Dude, he sucks. The 9ers fan was right. That ain't happening.