**** OFFICIAL 2014-2015 Kansas Basketball Repository Thread

[ArrowheadHawk]

11 straight Conference Championships!

Ranking #9 (26-8,13-5)

Non-Con Schedule (11-2)

Spoiler!

11/14/2014 UC Santa Barbara Lawrence, Kan. W 69-59 (1-0)
11/18/2014 Kentucky Indianapolis, Ind. L 40-72 (1-1)
Orlando Classic
11/24/2014 Rider Lawrence, Kan. W 87-60 (2-1)
11/27/2014 Rhode Island Orlando, Fla. W 76-60 (3-1)
11/28/2014 Tennessee Orlando, Fla. W 82-67 (4-1)
11/30/2014 Michigan State Orlando, Fla. W 61-56 (5-1)
12/5/2014 Florida Lawrence, Kan. W 71-65 (6-1)
12/10/2014 Georgetown Washington, DC W 75-70 (7-1)
12/13/2014 Utah Kansas City, Mo. W 63-60 (8-1)
12/20/2014 Lafayette Lawrence, Kan. W 96-69 (9-1)
12/22/2014 Temple Philadelphia, PA L 52-77 (9-2)
12/30/2014 Kent State Lawrence, Kan. W 78-62 (10-2)
1/4/2015 UNLV Lawrence, Kan. W 76-61 (11-2)

Conference Schedule

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1/7/2015 Baylor Waco, Texas W 56-55 (12-2,1-0)
1/10/2015 Texas Tech Lawrence, Kan. W 86-54 (13-2,2-0)
1/13/2015 Oklahoma State Lawrence, Kan. W 67-57 (14-2,3-0)
1/17/2015 Iowa State Ames, Iowa L 81-86 (14-3,3-1)
1/19/2015 Oklahoma Lawrence, Kan. W 85-78 (15-3,4-1)
1/24/2015 Texas Austin, Texas W 75-62 (16-3,5-1)
1/28/2015 TCU Fort Worth, Texas W 64-61(17-3,6-1)
1/31/2015 Kansas State Lawrence, Kan. W 68-57(18-3,7-1)
2/2/2015 Iowa State Lawrence, Kan. W 89-76(19-3,8-1)
2/7/2015 Oklahoma State Stillwater, Okla. L 62-67(19-4,8-2)
2/10/2015 Texas Tech Lubbock, Texas W 73-51(20-4,9-2)
2/14/2015 Baylor Lawrence, Kan. W 74-64(21-4,10-2)
2/16/2015 West Virginia Morgantown, W. Va. L 61-62(21-5,10-3)
2/21/2015 TCU Lawrence, Kan. W 81-72(22-5,11-3)
2/23/2015 Kansas State Manhattan, Kan. L 63-70(22-6,11-4)
2/28/2015 Texas Lawrence, Kan. W 69-64(23-6,12-4)
3/3/2015 West Virginia Lawrence, Kan. W 76-69(24-6,12-4)
3/7/2015 Oklahoma Norman, Okla. L 73-75(24-7,12-5)
Big 12 Championship
3/12/2015 TCU Kansas City, Mo. W 64-59(25-7)
3/13/2015 Baylor KC, Mo W 62-52(26-7)
3/14/2015 Iowa State KC, Mo W 66-70(25-8)

Fri, March 20 NMSU at Kansas Omaha, NE CBS at 11:15a.m. CT

Players

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New Players
Hunter Mickelson - F Transfer
Cliff Alexander - 5 Star C
Kelly Oubre - 5 Star F/G
Devonte Graham - 4 Star PG
Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk - (Not Ranked but equivalent to 5 Star) G

Players Lost
Tarik Black - Graduation
Andrew Wiggins - NBA Draft
Joel Embiid - NBA Draft
Justin Wesley - Graduation
Niko Roberts - Graduation
Christian Garrett - Graduation
Naadir Tharpe - Transfer
Andrew White - Transfer
Conner Frankamp - Transfer

Returning Starters
Wayne Selden, Jr. - G - Sophmore
Perry Ellis - F - Junior

[CoMoChief]

Originally Posted by sedated

I thought Frankamp went to Wichita State

you would be correct my bad.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by ChiefaRoo

You got it all in with QQ and the Shockers had the AA and you got run out of the building.

I'd love to see your Shockers posts from 2005.

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Bill Self has fallen into the one and done trap, and his system doesn't work for that type of player. Calipari is able to squeeze everything out of players quickly and send them on their way. This is different than fully developing players...which is what Self does.

Self takes guys and breaks them down. He puts them in the doghouse, calls them out in the media, and gradually pulls them back into the fold. That's great for guys who stick around for 3-4 years like Releford, Withey, Robinson, and Ellis. It just doesn't work for guys who see themselves as just parking themselves on a campus for a few months until they can declare for the draft. Every one of those players has under-performed (Selby, Wiggins, Henry, Selden, Oubre, Alexander).

I don't get why he bothers. You aren't going to beat Calipari by getting more out of one and done kids than he is, and you sure as hell aren't going to do it with the players he didn't want.

Calipari team isn't all one and dones.

Aaron Harrison, Andrew Harrison, Dakari Johnson, Marcus Lee, Willie Cauley-Stein, Alex Poythress...

Lyles, Ulis, Booker and Towns are all buying in but one has to wonder when you have such a strong group of players coming back is that really Cal or just the new guys not having as much pressure on them.

Booker, Towns and Lyles will all go pro and hopefully for Kentucky the cycle continues.

But you aren't going to win a title without these top 10 guys.

The trick is getting Wiggins and Embiid to be slightly worse than they were so they come back. If that were to happen KU would have been a freight train.

You're incorrect in saying Wiggins "underperformed". He is the all-time leader for KU freshmen in Scoring and Rebounding.

He didn't have a Durant or Anthony Davis level impact but he doesn't belong in that group you put him with in your post.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Bill Self has fallen into the one and done trap, and his system doesn't work for that type of player. Calipari is able to squeeze everything out of players quickly and send them on their way. This is different than fully developing players...which is what Self does.

Self takes guys and breaks them down. He puts them in the doghouse, calls them out in the media, and gradually pulls them back into the fold. That's great for guys who stick around for 3-4 years like Releford, Withey, Robinson, and Ellis. It just doesn't work for guys who see themselves as just parking themselves on a campus for a few months until they can declare for the draft. Every one of those players has under-performed (Selby, Wiggins, Henry, Selden, Oubre, Alexander).

I don't get why he bothers. You aren't going to beat Calipari by getting more out of one and done kids than he is, and you sure as hell aren't going to do it with the players he didn't want.

This. I have had an issue with these one and dones at Kansas for awhile. I have said basically the same thing. I wish the NBA would just do away with the stupid rule that they have to go to school for a year. They should make it that they have to either a) go to college for at least 3 years or go straight to the NBA.

[Hootie]

both Andrew Wiggins and Jabari Parker were absolutely HORRENDOUS in the Madness last year. No heart. I was appalled by both performances.

[Saul Good]

Yeah...Wiggins didn't even lead his team in rebounds by a freshman, so I'm going to go ahead and ignore Bambi's opinion.

[Hootie]

Hell ...

Michael Beasley was a hell of a college player. Derrick Rose was pretty good. Durant and Carmelo were awesome. Anthony Davis was a beast.

Wiggins was just DISAPPOINTING.

Now, I'll give Wiggins the benefit of the doubt in the fact that, other than Durant, all of those aforementioned guys were already fully developed specimens. Wiggins still kind of looked like an 18 year old kid. Wiggins at 25 might be a scary, scary, scary player.

[Fansy the Famous Bard]

Originally Posted by ChiefaRoo

You got it all in with QQ and the Shockers had the AA and you got run out of the building.

The hate is strong with this one.

[Fansy the Famous Bard]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Wiggins was just DISAPPOINTING.

Really?

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin

Kansas is Kansas and will always be Kansas. Most basketball fans would love to have a basketball program with your pedigree. And MOST fanbases would love to have a Coach like Bill Self.

Has he underachieved in the post-season with some of his teams? Sure. But he's still better than 95% of the coaches out there.


I would happily take him over the brokedick we gave control of our basketball team to.

I'm sorry, I didn't keep up. MU fan?

Originally Posted by Lzen

This. I have had an issue with these one and dones at Kansas for awhile. I have said basically the same thing. I wish the NBA would just do away with the stupid rule that they have to go to school for a year. They should make it that they have to either a) go to college for at least 3 years or go straight to the NBA.

I'd agree with that. But to be fair, it is working. Think about the dumbass team that would be kicking themselves for picking JOSH SELBY.

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Hell ...

Michael Beasley was a hell of a college player. Derrick Rose was pretty good. Durant and Carmelo were awesome. Anthony Davis was a beast.

Wiggins was just DISAPPOINTING.

Now, I'll give Wiggins the benefit of the doubt in the fact that, other than Durant, all of those aforementioned guys were already fully developed specimens. Wiggins still kind of looked like an 18 year old kid. Wiggins at 25 might be a scary, scary, scary player.

Wiggins killed it. He was the best one and doner KU has had, save for maybe Embiid.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

With Aldrich, Withey and Embiid, Self had someone down low that was an impact person...someone who could rebound and block shots on the other end and could draw fouls on the offensive end. I can't remember a KU that got their shit blocked as much as this team did. Undersized, getting pushed around on the block. Lucas and Traylor are garbage, and if Ellis isn't scoring he's a liability all together....****in pussy I've never seen a more soft player than him. Alexander is no use to this team if he can't get on the court due to elig issues. No PG depth...Graham has to get better. There were major holes on this Kansas team and it's a miracle they were able to win the conference reg season title again....a ****in' miracle.

KU was 333rd out of 351 teams in the country in terms of getting their shot blocked (12.7% of the time). Tells you quite a bit about the team's lack of skill inside and their inherent softness. That's the worst it has been since Self's first year in 2004 (9%).

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Every one of those players has under-performed (Selby, Wiggins, Henry, Selden, Oubre, Alexander).

Ignoring the fact that Wiggins and Henry weren't disappointments at all, it's important to note Self doesn't employ a system that exactly maximizes the skills of such wing players. It's very big oriented and always has been (which should have helped Cliff, but he was not ready and did not develop).

[Hootie]

Wiggins and Parker were two of the most timid, non-clutch one and doners I've ever seen...last March Madness both of them were EMBARRASSING to their teams. I'm sorry, it's true.

[Prison Bitch]

Wiggins was sweet. He took a 10 seed to a 5 seed and Embiid took us to a 1 or 2 when healthy. Too bad it didn't work out for Embiid. Wiggins should never have come to Kansas anyway because Bills stupid high-low and slow down snails pace was terrible for Wiggins skill set (it was great for Embiid by comparison). Wiggy shouldve gone to UNC



As for KU I had lunch just now with my friendly informer. Lots of stuff going on inside the program and esp with staff (including the dude who just mailed in 2015) that explains why nobody gave a shit when we sucked balls this last 6 weeks. By our standards anyway

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Wiggins and Parker were two of the most timid, non-clutch one and doners I've ever seen...last March Madness both of them were EMBARRASSING to their teams. I'm sorry, it's true.

One bad March Madness game doesn't change the 30+ games before that. But as I just said, Self's system just does not allow a player like him to thrive. NBA game is a much better fit for his skill set.