Poop Let's talk about "true fans" - Page 27

**DaFace** · 09:37 AM

Marcellus's thread was clearly a lot of attention whoring, but when it comes down to it, he has a point. The word "true fan" has become a catch-all for anyone who doesn't agree with a person on here about XXX player or XXX move that the Chiefs have made.

The issue I have with it is that it's increasingly become a straw man insult that doesn't even make sense. Discussion around here lately reminds me of discussions in D.C. where every issue has to be black and white and anyone who doesn't agree with you is an idiot. The reality is that there are opinions all over the spectrum and that nothing is ever black and white. I'd think there are at least five different categories of Chiefs fans these days:

1 - True "homers" who will cheer for the team and applaud every move they make unconditionally. These types almost don't even exist on ChiefsPlanet (though people like to act like they do). These are only a small portion of the Chiefs fanbase, and they look like this.

2 - Optimists who will always cheer for the Chiefs, but have a sense of realism about it. They probably cheered Cassel for the first few years, but reluctantly joined the SOC bandwagon last year when it was clear that there was just no hope in saving the team under Cassel.

3 - Fans who try to keep a balanced approach. They don't get too excited about drafting a RT at #1 or trading for Alex Smith, but they believe that it's likely the team will at least be improved this year if not dramatically so. Their approach is a "wait and see" reaction, though they'll be quick to criticize if things don't work out.

4 - Pessimists who are skeptical that the Chiefs are going to be competitive any time soon, but who do try and give the team some benefit of the doubt under the new leadership. They're probably not happy about Alex Smith being our QB, but are grudgingly willing to see what he can do.

5 - Total naysayers who have had it with the team for the past 40 years and will refuse to be optimistic until the Chiefs find some real success (playoff wins at a minimum, and Super Bowl contention ideally). They believe that the front office should be constantly scrutinized given that their predecessors were given a long leash and screwed it all up.

Anyway, I thought it would be interesting to see where people would put themselves on the spectrum. It seems like most threads these days are battles between 5's and 1's, but I'd bet that those types are actually pretty rare around here. My dream would be that we can one day have discussions that are dominated by 2's, 3's, and 4's, but who knows if that can ever happen until the Chiefs start showing success.

Discus.

Hammock Parties · 08-06-2013, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Go **** yourself. You continue to act like a dickless moron and I'll treat you as such.

So you seem to be afraid of opening your mouth and inserting your foot again, is that it?

Scared to tell us what this team's ceiling is, or something?

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-06-2013, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER

Reports from training camp are that Manning's arm strength is better than it was last year. I think Denver will win 12 or 13 games, easily, and sweep the Chiefs.

Geno>Cam

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-06-2013, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER

So you seem to be afraid of opening your mouth and inserting your foot again, is that it?

Scared to tell us what this team's ceiling is, or something?

Copyrightinfringement@nfl.com

Hammock Parties · 08-06-2013, 04:27 PM

So you just want to avoid the subject entirely. That's great, Dane.

Manning, BTW, has bulked up this offseason. He looks GREAT.

I think Denver's floor is 10 wins.

Ace Gunner · 08-06-2013, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER

So you just want to avoid the subject entirely. That's great, Dane.

Manning, BTW, has bulked up this offseason. He looks GREAT.

I think Denver's floor is 10 wins.

Dontari will be waiting

FlaChief58 · 08-06-2013, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls

Dontari will be waiting

and Houston and Hali and Johnson and Berry and.....

'Hamas' Jenkins · 08-06-2013, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef

Yeah, I wasn't saying you were wrong about Porter, just clarifying that he was never really an important part of the defense.

I agree that velocity and perfect spirals have never been part of his success, so I'm not really sure why the possibility of losing some of those aspects would mean he couldn't be dominant again. Obviously training camp reports should be taken with a grain of salt, but apparently Manning looks like he's in better shape and is throwing better than he was last year at this point.

Think of it like baseball. Manning never threw 97, but that doesn't mean that the difference between 90 and 87 is insignificant. His lack of arm strength was evident in that playoff game. That could be an issue with the cold (supposedly it was with Favre as he aged), a loss of velocity due to age, a combination of both, or after-effects of his neck procedure.

A Denver fan is hoping for the latter, and it's not an unreasonable hope.

I just know that, generally, once someone loses throwing velocity it doesn't come back.

scorpio · 08-06-2013, 06:02 PM

MeatPeeker just put the clown shoes on Dane.

Hammock Parties · 08-06-2013, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by scorpio

MeatPeeker just put the clown shoes on Dane.

He put them on last offseason and never took them off.

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-06-2013, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by scorpio

MeatPeeker just put the clown shoes on Dane.

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-06-2013, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER

He put them on last offseason and never took them off.

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Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER

Geno > Cam

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-06-2013, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER

He put them on last offseason and never took them off.

I'm still waiting for you to tell us all that the Broncos will beat the Ravens, Giants, Patriots, Cowboys, Texans, Redskins and Colts.

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-06-2013, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER

He put them on last offseason and never took them off.

Of course you agree with the Donkey fan.

You're a ****ing turdcutter.

Hammock Parties · 08-06-2013, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'm still waiting for you to tell us all that the Broncos will beat the Ravens, Giants, Patriots, Cowboys, Texans, Redskins and Colts.

They can probably beat 3-4 of those teams.

Here's how I see Denver doing.

Ravens - W
@ Giants - L
Raiders - W
Eagles - W
@ Cowboys - W
Jaguars - W
@ Colts - W
Redskins - W
@ Chargers - L
Chiefs - W
@ Patriots - L
@ Chiefs - W
Titans - W
Chargers - W
@ Texans - L
@ Raiders - W

12-4, and probably a first round bye.

View Poll Results: How would you classify yourself?
1 - Homer	7	2.44%
2 - Optimist	85	29.62%
3 - Balanced	116	40.42%
4 - Pessimist	67	23.34%
5 - Naysayer	8	2.79%
Generic Alternate Zresponse	4	1.39%
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05-03-2013, 09:30 AM
DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $66899	Let's talk about "true fans" Marcellus's thread was clearly a lot of attention whoring, but when it comes down to it, he has a point. The word "true fan" has become a catch-all for anyone who doesn't agree with a person on here about XXX player or XXX move that the Chiefs have made. The issue I have with it is that it's increasingly become a straw man insult that doesn't even make sense. Discussion around here lately reminds me of discussions in D.C. where every issue has to be black and white and anyone who doesn't agree with you is an idiot. The reality is that there are opinions all over the spectrum and that nothing is ever black and white. I'd think there are at least five different categories of Chiefs fans these days: 1 - True "homers" who will cheer for the team and applaud every move they make unconditionally. These types almost don't even exist on ChiefsPlanet (though people like to act like they do). These are only a small portion of the Chiefs fanbase, and they look like this. 2 - Optimists who will always cheer for the Chiefs, but have a sense of realism about it. They probably cheered Cassel for the first few years, but reluctantly joined the SOC bandwagon last year when it was clear that there was just no hope in saving the team under Cassel. 3 - Fans who try to keep a balanced approach. They don't get too excited about drafting a RT at #1 or trading for Alex Smith, but they believe that it's likely the team will at least be improved this year if not dramatically so. Their approach is a "wait and see" reaction, though they'll be quick to criticize if things don't work out. 4 - Pessimists who are skeptical that the Chiefs are going to be competitive any time soon, but who do try and give the team some benefit of the doubt under the new leadership. They're probably not happy about Alex Smith being our QB, but are grudgingly willing to see what he can do. 5 - Total naysayers who have had it with the team for the past 40 years and will refuse to be optimistic until the Chiefs find some real success (playoff wins at a minimum, and Super Bowl contention ideally). They believe that the front office should be constantly scrutinized given that their predecessors were given a long leash and screwed it all up. Anyway, I thought it would be interesting to see where people would put themselves on the spectrum. It seems like most threads these days are battles between 5's and 1's, but I'd bet that those types are actually pretty rare around here. My dream would be that we can one day have discussions that are dominated by 2's, 3's, and 4's, but who knows if that can ever happen until the Chiefs start showing success. Discus. Last edited by DaFace; 05-03-2013 at 09:37 AM..
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scorpio Veteran Join Date: Apr 2006 Casino cash: $9448509	MeatPeeker just put the clown shoes on Dane.
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