Minnesota man who killed teens in break-in charged with murder

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by ghak99

The "intruders should expect death" message needs to be sent and I no longer care how it happens.

Your goal is pointless. Robbers are already aware of guns and try to pick houses that are unoccupied. There is nothing you can do to make them even more afraid and more reluctant to break into a home.

All you are doing is allowing people who are down to be executed in cold blood for no good reason.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by ghak99

The longer I think about this the more I think I'm now ok with "anything goes" the minute an intruder enters a home. Leave any decisions made from that point forward up to the homeowner's discretion and be done with it.

He's obviously not the sharpest tool in the box, but I could not care lass about him in this case. The "intruders should expect death" message needs to be sent and I no longer care how it happens.

Really? You'd be cool with the homeowner tying someone up, sexually assaulting them, and/or torturing them over a long period of time?

[ghak99]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Really? You'd be cool with the homeowner tying someone up, sexually assaulting them, and/or torturing them over a long period of time?

Does he finish them when he's done or set them lose to tell their horrible story to their other home invading friends?

[Jimmya]

Joe Horn, 61, spotted two burglars breaking into his next-door neighbor's home in Pasadena, Texas. He called 911 to summon police to the scene. While on the phone with emergency dispatch, Horn stated that he had the right to use deadly force to defend property, referring to a law (Texas Penal Code §§ 9.41, 9.42, and 9.43) which justified the use of deadly force to protect Horn's home. Horn exited his home with his shotgun, while the 911 operator tried to dissuade him from that action. On the 911 tape, he is heard confronting the suspects, saying, "Move, and you're dead",[3] immediately followed by the sound of a shotgun blast, followed by two more.

This man was cleared in Texas by a grand jury. These dudes weren't even on his property.

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by Jimmya

Joe Horn, 61, spotted two burglars breaking into his next-door neighbor's home in Pasadena, Texas. He called 911 to summon police to the scene. While on the phone with emergency dispatch, Horn stated that he had the right to use deadly force to defend property, referring to a law (Texas Penal Code §§ 9.41, 9.42, and 9.43) which justified the use of deadly force to protect Horn's home. Horn exited his home with his shotgun, while the 911 operator tried to dissuade him from that action. On the 911 tape, he is heard confronting the suspects, saying, "Move, and you're dead",[3] immediately followed by the sound of a shotgun blast, followed by two more.

This man was cleared in Texas by a grand jury. These dudes weren't even on his property.

He was wrong, but it's too bad this isn't what happens to all thieves...

[LoneWolf]

At the end of all this it looks like there is going to be two dead scumbags and one crazy old man in prison. Sounds like a win win situation to me.

[Cannibal]

The kids were worthless garbage, no denying that.

But crazy old bastard deserves the wrath of the full extent of the law for murder.

[displacedinMN]

Friday Apr 25

A Minnesota man who killed two teenagers after they broke into his home had reason to believe he was in danger because a gun was stolen from his home, his attorney argued Friday in front of a crowded courtroom.

Byron Smith, of Little Falls, is charged with first-degree premeditated murder in the deaths of 18-year-old Haile Kifer and Kifer's cousin, 17-year-old Nick Brady, on Thanksgiving Day 2012. Smith, 65, claimed he was defending himself and feared for his life after several break-ins at his home.
On Friday, Morrison County Sheriff Michel Wetzel was asked about an incident where a "mystery man" led him to a shotgun stolen from Smith's home. The shotgun was found in a secluded swamp area.

Steve Meshbesher, Smith's attorney, said Smith was worried someone could come back to his home and shoot him with his own gun.
Smith was alone when the teens broke in and didn't alert anyone about the shootings until the next day.

The neighbor who called police also testified Friday. He said Smith asked him over the phone to call an attorney and said "I may have solved the break-ins."
The neighbor also said a month before the shootings, Smith had gone to the neighbor's home and was upset. It was around this time Smith had firearms stolen from his home. The neighbor said the pair talked about how break-ins were a problem

[In58men]

This is still being talked about? JFC

[displacedinMN]

Originally Posted by Inmem58

This is still being talked about? JFC

The updates or the argument?
I can stop updates if you want to let it go.

[Cannibal]

Originally Posted by Inmem58

This is still being talked about? JFC

The rednecks are desperate for this **** to get off. It's the only reason this is a story. Similar to the Zimmerman trial.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Cannibal

The rednecks are desperate for this **** to get off. It's the only reason this is a story. Similar to the Zimmerman trial.

I consider myself atleast half redneck and I don't see it that way... yes indeed, the old man was in his own home, which had already been burglarized atleast twice, possibly by these very kids, he had a right to defend with deadly force...

Yet his final actions were garbage and he deserves to spend a good bit of time in prison, even though at his age any significant sentence could mean life.

But smart ass one liners as they lay dying in front of him and "finishing shots" just before tucking into bed for a good nights rest, represent a deranged man not in control of his faculties.

[Cannibal]

Originally Posted by scott free

I consider myself atleast half redneck and I don't see it that way... the old man was in his own home, which had already been burglarized atleast twice, possibly by these very kids...

His final actions were garbage and he deserves to spend a good bit of time in prison, at his age any significant sentence could mean life, but I've come around to some degree... defend your home at all costs.

But smart ass one liners as they lay dying in front of him and "finishing shots" just before tucking into bed for a good nights rest, represent a deranged man not in control of his faculties.

So you're being reasonable? You're not in the redneck, I want him to get off category then.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Cannibal

So you're being reasonable? You're not in the redneck, I want him to get off category then.

On second thought, my post didn't make a damn bit of sense... but when they're lying bloody on the floor gasping for air, you simply don't get to go up and execute them face to face with a BS line like "oh I'm sorry, you're dead".

He went from scared old homeowner to sadisitic old **** with his actions.

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by Cannibal

The rednecks are desperate for this **** to get off. It's the only reason this is a story. Similar to the Zimmerman trial.

I don't want the guy to get off. I'm just glad there are two less scumbags in the world and hopefully one less crazy guy on the streets. Like I said earlier, win win.