The Dark Knight Rises *Spoilers* Thread

[mdchiefsfan]

For anyone who has seen the movie and wants to discuss it.

[Micjones]

Originally Posted by JD10367

The thing that I find the hardest to fathom isn't necessarily just the "escape" portion, but the whole bomb idea. It has a six-mile radius (which they state clearly). Judging from the camera long-shots, the Batplane is around five miles off shore at the least, given the distance off shore that we see the final explosion. Since the edge of the explosion is nowhere near Gotham, extrapolate at least another three miles (to the center of the blast). So he had to fly at least 8 miles off shore. IIRC he takes the bomb with about 2:00 to go on the clock. (That's a rough guess. Even though I've seen it 13 times I've had two days off so I'll have to refresh my memory on it.) He spends some time getting it out of the tunnel, blowing up the building, and flying over JGL's head. That probably takes another 30 seconds, but for the sake of leniency let's say it doesn't, and give him the full 2 minutes. To go 2 minutes in 8 miles means you have to be going 240 miles an hour. Under no circumstances in the film--including the speed at which he started leaving Gotham--does that Batplane look like it goes 240 miles an hour. Never mind how Bruce Wayne lived, how did Gotham?

Getting it out to the bay seems much more reasonable than Batman escaping the blast radius OUTSIDE of the Batwing.

[kaplin42]

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

This whole movie left a bad taste in my mouth. Its clearly not aimed toward people who know the characters very well unless we're addressing the stupid twist that exploited people's knowledge of the books in order to get the twist over. Nice douche....nice.

To trash the origin of Bane so thoroughly, and for the sake of a ridiculous twist to reveal Talia Al Ghul in an equally horrific trashing of book version is just ridiculous to me. You take Bane, arguably the most vicious and cerebral enemy Batman has ever known and try to turn him into a sympathetic character at the end? Just your regular run of the mill pit prisoner who got a frosty smooth beatdown for protecting a child? Lame.

Why the hell does hothead cop know who Batman is? Its never explained, its just dropped in our lap. You. Youre Batman. Why did you wear the mask? So dumb. Then later to actually make his birth name "Robin" was just too much.

Talia's turn and entire role in the plot was asinine. She's in love with Bruce in the books, saved his life on more than one occaision and even had his kid. So why she was chosen to lead the "Nuke Gotham City" plan, I have no idea. Her character being in this film made about as much as Gwen Stacy in Spider-Man 3. Something about the third movie in a trilogy that brings out the WTF moments I guess.

The Bane fights were way too Rocky 3 for me. First fight is a no contest beatdown, we get a nod to the breaking, but not the actual breaking of the Bat. Then you dangle from a rope for a few months and boom. Spine realigned, a few crunches, pushups, and chinups later, we're ready to go back and for some reason now youre able to just take Bane to the cleaners. Oh, and how Bane didnt become pink mist when shot by the Batpod when we saw it take down an entire wall of crushed cars is quite beyond my comprehension.

The ending bugs me as well. Its like Nolan either didnt know what he wanted to do with it, or he wanted to just leave it open for interpretation, or try to please both the unhappy ending seekers as well as happy ending seekers, you just cant try to apply any logic to it or it all falls apart.

We assume that Batman is killed flying the bomb out over the bay. He says there's no auto pilot. We see Batman give that long stare into the camera and then boom. Okay, Bats is toast but he saved Gotham. Kind of a bummer, but we'll roll with it. Funeral, Alfred sobbing, Wayne's will being executed, the works. If it just stopped here, with "Robin" finding the cave it wouldve been fine.

But wait!

A dejected Fox talks to the techs to see what he couldve done to help with the Auto Pilot. Tech says that it was patched six months earlier by Bruce Wayne. Cut to Alfred in Florence and he sees Bruce and Selina.

So, is Alfred imagining Bruce and Selina? It is much better for Nolan's sake if he is. It insults our intelligence far less. But the majority say no no, Bruce fixed the auto pilot, he got out. And he didnt say anything to Alfred because it was just like in Alfred's fantasy where they would say nothing to each other but they would both know that he'd made it.

Well, then this brings to mind a quote from one of my favorite books, Misery, by Stephen King.


quote Annie Wilkes

They also called them serials. I'm not stupid ya know... Anyway, my favourite was Rocketman, and once it was a no brakes chapter. The bad guy stuck him in a car on a mountain road and knocked him out and welded the door shut and tore out the brakes and started him to his death, and he woke up and tried to steer and tried to get out but the car went off a cliff before he could escape! And it crashed and burned and I was so upset and excited, and the next week, you better believe I was first in line. And they always start with the end of the last week. And there was Rocketman, trying to get out, and here comes the cliff, and just before the car went off the cliff, he jumped free! And all the kids cheered! But I didn't cheer. I stood right up and started shouting. This isn't what happened last week! Have you all got amnesia? They just cheated us! This isn't fair! HE DID'NT GET OUT OF THE *bleep* - A - DOODIE CAR!


So what if Bruce fixed the auto pilot? He never got out. We watch the Bat fly right out over the ice (if you fall in, youre dead in minutes) and explode. And even if we, the viewers didnt see it, are we meant to believe that if Bruce got out of that thing before it blew, that NOBODY watching it fly out there saw anything? Weak.


You also mean to tell me that after that little bitch Selina Kyle trapped Bruce with Bane for him to get utterly destroyed that the actual Batman of comic lore would give two shits about her from then on is completely ridiculous. Theres no way he would take that shit, let alone run off to Florence with her. Its insulting.

The entire idea that Bruce just up and says "Peace, Im out" at all is just ludicrous. Its the main reason the death, while more of a downer is far more believable.

Ive got so many issues with this film I cant even list them all for fear of carpel tunnel. Pretty disappointed with it in general.


TDK>Begins>Rises

While you're entitled to your opinion, it's absolutely amazing how one can watch a movie and still not see it.

[lcarus]

TDK>Rises>Begins. But I love Begins.

[Fish]

Another minor thing that bugged me was the magic knee brace thing...

Bruce was hobbling with a cane, and the Doc told him his body was beat up with all kinds of ailments like ligament damage, brain bruising, etc. But Bruce straps on simple knee brace with shining lights, and we never hear or notice anything health related about him at all. And Bane captures him and throws him in prison with the magic knee brace still on? Why? The entire point was to put him in the prison that's a huge deep hole that he couldn't get out of, in order to further break his spirit. But yet you don't bother with the glowing device on his leg?

I like the idea of Batman getting old and his body breaking down, and how that plays into the story. But I felt like they just kinda cut corners on that aspect and expected people to forget about it.

[kaplin42]

Originally Posted by KC Fish

I like the idea of Batman getting old and his body breaking down, and how that plays into the story. But I felt like they just kinda cut corners on that aspect and expected people to forget about it.

This feeds into something I was thinking goes with the JGL at the end. I didn't see it brought up in the thread at all, but what if, and a big what if, JGL is Batman Beyond.

It's obvious Bruce is busted up, and can't really continue on, and JGL is right there, I think the plot could work. Bruce could be the mentor while JGL takes to the streets as the next Batman.

I could be, and more than likely am very wrong on this, but I just thought it was as good a guess as any of the others.

[mikeyis4dcats.]

Originally Posted by kaplin42

This feeds into something I was thinking goes with the JGL at the end. I didn't see it brought up in the thread at all, but what if, and a big what if, JGL is Batman Beyond.

It's obvious Bruce is busted up, and can't really continue on, and JGL is right there, I think the plot could work. Bruce could be the mentor while JGL takes to the streets as the next Batman.

I could be, and more than likely am very wrong on this, but I just thought it was as good a guess as any of the others.

I have zero knowledge of the comics, but my take was that JGL was going to be Batman.

Numerous reasons:

1. yes, his name was Robin, but that's a terrible way to disguise yourself if you're going to be Robin
2. Bruce fixed up the bat signal - maybe I'm wrong, but not likely Robin responds to the Bat signal.
3. The repeated discussion of Batman being anonymous and masked. Anyone can be Batman.
4. Had Bruce wanted anything else, he'd have had a suit made or left instruction.

[kaplin42]

Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats.

I have zero knowledge of the comics, but my take was that JGL was going to be Batman.

Numerous reasons:

1. yes, his name was Robin, but that's a terrible way to disguise yourself if you're going to be Robin
2. Bruce fixed up the bat signal - maybe I'm wrong, but not likely Robin responds to the Bat signal.
3. The repeated discussion of Batman being anonymous and masked. Anyone can be Batman.
4. Had Bruce wanted anything else, he'd have had a suit made or left instruction.

Technically Batman Beyond is still Batman. I will admit I don't know the comic story very well, but from what I understand:

-- Bruce is too old/broken to actually suit up and kick ass, so he "recruits" a young kid to actually do that.

-- Young kid takes up the mantle of the Batman, wearing the outfit and getting his hands dirty in the streets. Still Batman, not Robin or Nightwing.

-- Bruce stays involved by being intel back at the Batcave. Remember, half the reason Batman is so badass is because he is very intelligent. Having his brains on the back side figuring out the mysteries while the "new" Batman actually does the leg work

[Deberg_1990]

Im not convinced that the JGL version of Robin or Batman will ever come to frutition.

I loved the end, but i think it was mostly Nolan just throwing a big bone to the fans.

My short term guess is that Nolan moves on, and WB reboots Batman once again in 4 to 5 years.

[lcarus]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Im not convinced that the JGL version of Robin or Batman will ever come to frutition.

I loved the end, but i think it was mostly Nolan just throwing a big bone to the fans.

My short term guess is that Nolan moves on, and WB reboots Batman once again in 4 to 5 years.

Looking forward to the reboot. Loved the Nolan trilogy, but I'm ready for a Batman series that can be unrealistic in a comic book sort of way that will allow for villains like Clayface, Mr Freeze, etc.

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by lcarus

Looking forward to the reboot. Loved the Nolan trilogy, but I'm ready for a Batman series that can be unrealistic in a comic book sort of way that will allow for villains like Clayface, Mr Freeze, etc.

So you want the Burton/Schumacher Batman again?

[unothadeal]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

My short term guess is that Nolan moves on, and WB reboots Batman once again in 4 to 5 years.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1877830/

[lcarus]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

So you want the Burton/Schumacher Batman again?

Lol, no. Some of the elements of some of those movies were ok. The Burton movies were not bad movies. Maybe like a mixture of the Burton and Nolan Batman universes? They can make a fantasy comic book movie and not make it silly or ridiculous like Schumacher. Even with the shitty Schumacher movies, some of the atmosphere in that portrayal of Gotham was kinda cool. The issue was just silly, stupid characters with shitty dialogue and plot. Either way, I'm interested to see where they go from here.

[Red Brooklyn]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

What's wrong with that for a secret identity? /Clark Kent

[CoMoChief]

I dont know if I can rate these movies in order of my preference. They all kick some serious ass IMO. I don't like Katie Holmes, but that's been discussed here many times, and it's not enough to make me not like the movie any less than the other 2.

[CoMoChief]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

So you want the Burton/Schumacher Batman again?

The 2 Burton Batman's weren't bad, the first one was good I thought, even though it was a little out of the story line.

Shumacher's Batman was hilariously bad. One of the worst movies of all time.