Peacock exclusive playoff game is stupid

[treeguy27]

Bad move by the league. Quit being greedy and keeping your customers from watching your product.

Surely they wont put Mahomes in that game but who knows.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Lzen

That would be hilarious.

Hilariously awesome. I wonder if NBC would scramble and put it on real TV, or if it would take us back to the 1920s Yankees where America would only see a box score the next day.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Around a third of U.S. households (36%) don't have a pay TV subscription, and that number is climbing every year. In case you haven't noticed, ESPN is losing their asses and laying people off lately because people are canceling cable and moving to streaming services. It's obviously part of why the NFL is moving in this direction.

Again, this is why I think it's ridiculous that everyone is throwing a fit about a $6 subscription while you happily pay $75+ a month for cable.

I mean... clearly not. I think most people grudgingly pay for cable and the hassles of calling every year to keep the cost down and dealing with the contract disputes and so forth.

I'd be fine with the streaming model if it was anywhere near what cable cutters thought it would be one day... want NHL? Here are your hockey games. Want NFL, here are your football games.

Not needing to pay that $75/month for cable and then being nickel and dimed to death on streaming platforms.

[threebag]

It’s not a bad deal, I already have peacock

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Around a third of U.S. households (36%) don't have a pay TV subscription, and that number is climbing every year. In case you haven't noticed, ESPN is losing their asses and laying people off lately because people are canceling cable and moving to streaming services. It's obviously part of why the NFL is moving in this direction.

Again, this is why I think it's ridiculous that everyone is throwing a fit about a $6 subscription while you happily pay $75+ a month for cable.

I think people are mostly comparing now to 15-20 years ago, not two years ago. 15-20 years ago if you had cable and sports packages you could basically watch everything that was available to watch.

“Available to watch” is the key though. What is now available to watch is just so much more content that you couldn’t possibly expect to still watch it all on just your basic cable subscription that had ESPN channels. You didn’t use to be able to watch every NFL game and just dealt with your local broadcast. Your college basketball or football where just whatever best matchup was being shown that night or on local broadcast. NHL was nowhere that I recall. Forget about overseas soccer. But now you can basically find a way to pay for any sporting event you want either directly to the league or adding on special optional channels to your cable.

I guess what I’m unsure about, but probably suspect as accurate, is that what you get on cable now is really not all that different than what you got 15-20 years ago.

[Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan]

Not counting football, I probably watched less than 10 hours of television in 2023.

If they take football away from regular TV, then I'd probably be good with 0 hours.

Like I said, I'm perfectly fine with the radio (No Joe Buck, no Chris Colingsworth, no Jason Garrett . . . honestly, I'm seeing win/win here.)

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

I think people are mostly comparing now to 15-20 years ago, not two years ago. 15-20 years ago if you had cable and sports packages you could basically watch everything that was available to watch.

“Available to watch” is the key though. What is now available to watch is just so much more content that you couldn’t possibly expect to still watch it all on just your basic cable subscription that had ESPN channels. You didn’t use to be able to watch every NFL game and just dealt with your local broadcast. Your college basketball or football where just whatever best matchup was being shown that night or on local broadcast. NHL was nowhere that I recall. Forget about overseas soccer. But now you can basically find a way to pay for any sporting event you want either directly to the league or adding on special optional channels to your cable.

I guess what I’m unsure about, but probably suspect as accurate, is that what you get on cable now is really not all that different than what you got 15-20 years ago.

I'd say the main difference (whether right now or in the future) is the availability playoff games... no matter how limited viewing was for everything else, you mostly just needed an antenna for the biggest games. Even the Stanley Cup Finals were on ABC or NBC when the playoffs were largely on ESPN.

The Peacock playoff game, the MLB playoff games on MLBN (for several years now), etc; has been breaking that down.

[ChiefsCountry]

For sports fans, the cable/satellite bundle is by the far the best deal especially if you are in market.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

I think people are mostly comparing now to 15-20 years ago, not two years ago. 15-20 years ago if you had cable and sports packages you could basically watch everything that was available to watch.

“Available to watch” is the key though. What is now available to watch is just so much more content that you couldn’t possibly expect to still watch it all on just your basic cable subscription that had ESPN channels. You didn’t use to be able to watch every NFL game and just dealt with your local broadcast. Your college basketball or football where just whatever best matchup was being shown that night or on local broadcast. NHL was nowhere that I recall. Forget about overseas soccer. But now you can basically find a way to pay for any sporting event you want either directly to the league or adding on special optional channels to your cable.

I guess what I’m unsure about, but probably suspect as accurate, is that what you get on cable now is really not all that different than what you got 15-20 years ago.

The "available to watch" is a key point. During most of my youth, I got maybe one or two games a year to watch, and I lived in Missouri. I was just in the St. Louis TV market and not the KC market. It was terrible.

Over the years, I was able to get more and more games through the advent of satellite television. Moving to an AFC West city helped my cause a lot as well, because Chiefs games were of interest to division rivals. With streaming, I theoretically could watch every game.

Realistically, my ability to view games peaked in the 2018 to 2021 time frame. Now it's going down, and I expect that it will continue to decline in the future unless I develop a new hobby of chasing down subscriptions and switching credit cards when the subscription cancellations mysteriously don't work.

For those old enough to remember, this reminds me of the period just after phone companies got deregulated. We had about five years that was a huge clusterf*** in the phone industry, where we had tons of little companies all implementing their own systems. We had to buy phone cards and go through some sort of dial-in process on out-of-town phones to get to our "home system" so we could make calls. (I remember having car trouble once in Podunk Illinois or Indiana, and couldn't call a tow truck because the local phone system wouldn't even let me dial into my home system to make a local call.) It was a huge hassle. Eventually, some coordination developed, and then of course cell phones killed all of the local companies until we now are at the mercy of a few big corporations.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

The "avvailable to watch" is a key point. During most of my youth, I got maybe one or two games a year to watch, and I lived in Missouri. I was just in the St. Louis TV market and not the KC market. It was terrible.

Over the years, I was able to get more and more games through the advent of satellite television. Moving to an AFC West city helped my cause a lot as well, because Chiefs games were of interest to division rivals. With streaming, I theoretically could watch every game.

Realistically, my ability to view games peaked in the 2018 to 2021 time frame. Now it's going down, and I expect that it will continue to decline in the future unless I develop a new hobby of chasing down subscriptions and switching credit cards when the subscription cancellations mysteriously don't work.

For those old enough to remember, this reminds me of the period just after phone companies got deregulated. We had about five years that was a huge clusterf*** in the phone industry, where we had tons of little companies all implementing their own systems. We had to buy phone cards and go through some sort of dial-in process on out-of-town phones to get to our "home system" so we could make calls. (I remember having car trouble once in Podunk Illinois or Indiana, and couldn't call a tow truck because the local phone system wouldn't even let me dial into my home system to make a local call.) It was a huge hassle. Eventually, some coordination developed, and then of course cell phones killed all of the local companies until we now are at the mercy of a few big corporations.

This will happen eventually, there's been plenty of rumors that Paramount Plus is looking to merge with Apple or Amazon or one of the other companies. It already happened with Discovery merging with HBO into one company and app and that's still been a disaster.

I haven't had cable for years and it's overpriced but the reality is they were the coordination. People always said they wanted "a la carte" type options and that's basically an early iteration of what this is. Most people don't watch 300 channels but they do watch a handful and now you're having to pay them directly for their shows.

[TheGreatCassholio]

Originally Posted by Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan

Not counting football, I probably watched less than 10 hours of television in 2023.

If they take football away from regular TV, then I'd probably be good with 0 hours.

Like I said, I'm perfectly fine with the radio (No Joe Buck, no Chris Colingsworth, no Jason Garrett . . . honestly, I'm seeing win/win here.)

I also watch little to no TV other than live sports. I spend entirely too much just to watch live sports and nothing else because of all the crap I have to subscribe to to get it all

[JohnnyHammersticks]

Originally Posted by notorious

The not-legal steams are going to get slammed.

I'm torn. I want to watch a reliable stream which is impossible unless paying, but damn them for going this direction.

Might just have to miss it based on principle.

Guarantee I'll watch the same pirate stream I always watch with zero issues.

You guys are making this harder than it really is.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

Exactly, $6 is about the price of a POS McDonalds burger anymore.

But as you say, the relevance of this, and it's timing is upsetting.

A wise man once said, the only constant is change, or something like that.

We are so fortunate to have our Chiefs win a couple Super Bowls and appear in 3 recently.

Can you imagine if this happened in the Herm/Pioli era?

You can't stop business's from changing their model. They have done the math. They know you and others won't buy it out of principle. They have that money loss written into the proposal to move playoff games to streaming.

No one can stop technical progress. It just moves on without you. I'm not agreeing with the NFL. This is a shit move. But, I understand the move is good for their bottom line which I don't care about. I just want to watch my team play.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

You can't stop business's from changing their model. They have done the math. They know you and others won't buy it out of principle. They have that money loss written into the proposal to move playoff games to streaming.

No one can stop technical progress. It just moves on without you. I'm not agreeing with the NFL. This is a shit move. But, I understand the move is good for their bottom line which I don't care about. I just want to watch my team play.

Yep,as I said, the only thing constant is change. Looking back
It's nothing like it used to be. Constant change, mostly good.

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by tk13

This will happen eventually, there's been plenty of rumors that Paramount Plus is looking to merge with Apple or Amazon or one of the other companies. It already happened with Discovery merging with HBO into one company and app and that's still been a disaster.

I haven't had cable for years and it's overpriced but the reality is they were the coordination. People always said they wanted "a la carte" type options and that's basically an early iteration of what this is. Most people don't watch 300 channels but they do watch a handful and now you're having to pay them directly for their shows.

We all wanted a la carte options because we found ourselves getting a heavy bill when we watched 4 or 5 channels, but what will end up happening is the streaming services will just consolidate content and steadily raise their prices a buck or two a year, until you're paying them more than you were paying before.

They don't have the wireline and infrastructure expenses which are carried by the cable companies, who will end up raising internet prices as a result.

And to top it off, now that they've gotten a lot of people hooked with the subscription streaming services they are introducing ads. Eventually everyone will probably either have ads just like they did on cable, or they'll pay even more to be without them.

We may even see them charging higher prices on month-to-month subs one day, to prevent people from hopping in and out occasionally for just one program.

Cable was expensive and exploitative, but I don't know if the situation is better today with cable subscriptions in a lot of people's pasts.

[kstater]

Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

I have it. I pay for it because the Big 12 forces me to and because it was cheaper for me to do all 3 (Disney+, Hulu, ESPN+) than it was for me to do it the way I was doing it before. But I'm not happy about it. I despise ESPN+ and everything about it. I will buy a lifetime subscription to Peacock Super + Extreme (or whatever the non ad version is called) if ESPN+ dies a painful death never to return.

As a sports junkie, ESPN+ is the greatest thing to ever happen. Every single game of revenue sports for the teams I follow are on there. A decent chunk of non revenue sports games are on there.

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