Alex Smith did, does, and will always suck.

[Hammock Parties]

[Alex Smiff]

Originally Posted by opposition

Says the guy that signs up for a Chiefs board to bash the QB with the best winning percentage IN THE ENTIRE NFL since Jimmy Raye left in Sep. of 2010.

Sorry lil guy. Alex's career started in 2005. You can't just exclude the stats you want. Keep thinking his career started AFTER Jimmy Raye

[ViperVisor]

Originally Posted by Alex Smiff

Atlanta had no business winning that game. They were huge underdogs and still won. It's regarded as an impressive win.

-6.5
49ers vs. Saints were -3.5

Originally Posted by Alex Smiff

Right. The same amount of turnovers the 9ers had against NO in the playoffs. Your greatest moment as a Smith fanboy.

Originally Posted by mdchiefsfan

Do you have his TD:FG ratio in those redzone attempts?

No, I just added the basic splits.

[JENKINSWINS]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

How many games in that time? Brees, Rodgers, and Brady have thrown for more TD's in a single season than he has had red zone trips since 09.

Have you seen the coaches and players around those guys you mentioned during those seasons?

That's where you guys fail. It helps if you have a good coach and consistency in one offensive system. That's what we've been saying all along with Alex and guess what...

Proof - 21 - 5 over his last 3 seasons

[opposition]

Originally Posted by Alex Smiff

Sorry lil guy. Alex's career started in 2005. You can't just exclude the stats you want. Keep thinking his career started AFTER Jimmy Raye

yeah and it wasn't pretty. But guys get better that's what you don't understand, and Alex has in every statistical category every single season since 2005.

Typical deflect as well. You were the one calling out Alex Fanboys. But yet you don't address that.

They try so hard to reduce any success that other QBs have but celebrate the mediocrity of their own guy.

Is this not what you are doing?

[ayleswbj]

Originally Posted by Alex Smiff

Sorry lil guy. Alex's career started in 2005. You can't just exclude the stats you want. Keep thinking his career started AFTER Jimmy Raye

Mr. Smiff, Im a Niner fan also and a Smith supporter. Of course you cant exclude his play from 05-08 or even 09 if you want to throw that in. You also cant exclude the trash that the 49er organization threw out on the field when Alex was there. I have never in all my years of being a NINER fan seen less talent in an NFL squad than we had in the years 04-08. 04-05 being the worse. Smith was on IR 2 out of the 8 years hes been in the league. Dont forget we lived with 8 years of misery and if you think it was just Smith you must be delusional. Were running guys out as our number 1 WR like Johnny freaking Morton, Dominac Zeigler, Rashan Woods, Arnaz battle. Yea we drafted Davis in 06 who did nothing. We also ran a 20 year skinny QB out there when we shouldnt have. He never should have played in Year 1 or 2 but our franchise was so desprate for anything we put our number 1 pick out there to sell some tickets. I dont discout any of the failures Smith had when he was young, I also dont discount the fact that he rebuilt his career and is having success. I also think Kaep is going to be great, but hes gonna go through growing pains much like Smith did. Only thing is, he gets to do it with a world of talent around him while Smith had to do it with the biggest heap of trash ive ever seen on a field. If you disagree just go check the rosters, you may need a memory jog. Ala Jonas Jennings..

[ViperVisor]

Originally Posted by Alex Smiff

Sorry lil guy. Alex's career started in 2005. You can't just exclude the stats you want. Keep thinking his career started AFTER Jimmy Raye

The opponent knew ours plays. A Saints CB left his WR and rushed after the RB before the snap. He knew it was a run.
In KC they were calling out the plays before they happened.

Since then his TD to INT is 46-15

+ 5-0 in the 2 playoff games

[mdchiefsfan]

Originally Posted by ViperVisor

No, I just added the basic splits.

Damn, would've been interesting to see.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by JENKINSWINS

So are you saying you're anti-Smith guy? The guy is 21 - 5 over his last 3 seasons and has been competing his ass off with whoever is in front of him.

I see it like this with Alex and I see it with CK now. The reason the 49ers lost to NY (last year) is because Harbaugh is stubborn and wanted to show them that he could throw against them, knowing all along SF's best way of winning was staying balanced. This showed up again on Sunday against Seattle. I think with Reid it's the opposite, he's going to get the passing game up to speed because that's his forte and can win with that type of game plan. Sure you would like to see more of Jamal running the ball but that's not Reid's game.

With that said, IMO as long as the coach stays true to himself and stick with what he's best at. If it wins with the guys he has on the field, then keep at it. Make you're adjustments if nothing is working. It's a chess game out there and everyone has similar pieces, it's up to the guy that has control of them to make the right moves to win.

If for some reason you care enough to look, you can click on my username and click 'Find more posts by Bearcat', or search this thread for duncan or jspchief... it's all there.

I'll give you a few bullet points though (so I can copy/paste for the next 800 times)...

-- This whole discussion is based on wanting a QB to take it to the next level (next level=2nd round of the playoffs and beyond), so 18 wins against teams that don't meet that criteria aren't all that relevant. Any mediocre or good quarterback can do that.

-- Chiefs fans have gone through 40 years of retreads, and only Joe freakin' Montana did us any good. It's not about 'hating' or being anti-anything besides anti-retread-QB. It's about having mounds of evidence suggesting this isn't going to be any different than the past 20 years.

-- To go along with the last point, the so-called haters want to be wrong. We want this time to be the time it works. We're tired of aspiring to ~10 win/one and done seasons. We've been there, done that, spent a lot of time and money to watch it. This entire discussion (from our point of view) is about taking it to the next level. The past (see Cassel in NE or even 2010 Cassel) doesn't matter nearly as much as the future. Not amount of 49ers stats or cherry picking will convince us otherwise. Smith will get his chances (Jax and Dallas aren't it), and we're patiently waiting to see what happens.

[NinerDoug]

Originally Posted by Alex Smiff

Sorry lil guy. Alex's career started in 2005. You can't just exclude the stats you want. Keep thinking his career started AFTER Jimmy Raye

Ever heard the saying, "What have you done for me lately"?

What he did as a rookie and under Jimmy Raye's spectacular coaching really has no bearing on what he did the last two years or is doing now in KC.

[Red Gorilla]

All that really matters is what Dorsey thinks. Chiefs fans can bitch about the past and humor themselves into thinking they have the formula but, it's irrelevant. Last spring, Dorsey and Reid were probably asked about quarterbacks 100 times starting from day one. Multiple times they said they wanted a QB that wins. Arm strength and accuracy were great but, that stuff came second. The bottom line is that Alex Smith has turned into a winner. He knows what it takes to win and he won a divisional playoff game. That's why he's our quarterback.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Red Gorilla

All that really matters is what Dorsey thinks. Chiefs fans can bitch about the past and humor themselves into thinking they have the formula but, it's irrelevant. Last spring, Dorsey and Reid were probably asked about quarterbacks 100 times starting from day one. Multiple times they said they wanted a QB that wins. Arm strength and accuracy were great but, that stuff came second. The bottom line is that Alex Smith has turned into a winner. He knows what it takes to win and he won a divisional playoff game. That's why he's our quarterback.

To the Teboat!

[ViperVisor]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

-- Chiefs fans have gone through 40 years of retreads, and only Joe freakin' Montana did us any good. It's not about 'hating' or being anti-anything besides anti-retread-QB. It's about having mounds of evidence suggesting this isn't going to be any different than the past 20 years.

Joe Montana was a 3rd round pick.
Steve Young was cost the 50th pick + a 4th.
Jeff Garcia was a CFL retread.
Alex Smith was a #1 pick 'Franchise QB'

Approx 5 teams happened to of sucked at the right time and get a legit Franchise QB high.
another 5 teams happened to have the right guy fall into their lap some other way.

What is the other 70% of the NFL to do?

Your probably never gonna be one of the favorites to win a Super Bowl.

49ers were 40/1 in 2011 and were a bounce away from going.

[JENKINSWINS]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

If for some reason you care enough to look, you can click on my username and click 'Find more posts by Bearcat', or search this thread for duncan or jspchief... it's all there.

I'll give you a few bullet points though (so I can copy/paste for the next 800 times)...

-- This whole discussion is based on wanting a QB to take it to the next level (next level=2nd round of the playoffs and beyond), so 18 wins against teams that don't meet that criteria aren't all that relevant. Any mediocre or good quarterback can do that.

-- Chiefs fans have gone through 40 years of retreads, and only Joe freakin' Montana did us any good. It's not about 'hating' or being anti-anything besides anti-retread-QB. It's about having mounds of evidence suggesting this isn't going to be any different than the past 20 years.

-- To go along with the last point, the so-called haters want to be wrong. We want this time to be the time it works. We're tired of aspiring to ~10 win/one and done seasons. We've been there, done that, spent a lot of time and money to watch it. This entire discussion (from our point of view) is about taking it to the next level. The past (see Cassel in NE or even 2010 Cassel) doesn't matter nearly as much as the future. Not amount of 49ers stats or cherry picking will convince us otherwise. Smith will get his chances (Jax and Dallas aren't it), and we're patiently waiting to see what happens.

You're talking to the wrong person then because for me it's going to take a team effort, not just the QB and it starts with the coaches. So far in this very young season, Reid has pulled out wins with a team that he has his fingerprints all over but not fully. It looks like he's made the right choices so far and will most likely be making more as the season goes on and during the off season, in order to field the best players that fit his formula. 2 - 0 with Alex so far, the main chemical in his formula that he added the second he got to KC. With that said. So far so good, right?

I was a big fan of Avery out of college and was excited about AJ Jenkins. KC has the make up of a team that could be something scary if Reid can get them in positions to make plays. It's only week 3 and I think it's just a matter of time before we see this offense really start to take off. While you're patiently waiting for the worst, which is totally understandable from your experience. I am patiently waiting for this team to be something special, especially with the way the defense is playing.

[Jakemall]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

If for some reason you care enough to look, you can click on my username and click 'Find more posts by Bearcat', or search this thread for duncan or jspchief... it's all there.

I'll give you a few bullet points though (so I can copy/paste for the next 800 times)...

-- This whole discussion is based on wanting a QB to take it to the next level (next level=2nd round of the playoffs and beyond), so 18 wins against teams that don't meet that criteria aren't all that relevant. Any mediocre or good quarterback can do that.

-- Chiefs fans have gone through 40 years of retreads, and only Joe freakin' Montana did us any good. It's not about 'hating' or being anti-anything besides anti-retread-QB. It's about having mounds of evidence suggesting this isn't going to be any different than the past 20 years.

-- To go along with the last point, the so-called haters want to be wrong. We want this time to be the time it works. We're tired of aspiring to ~10 win/one and done seasons. We've been there, done that, spent a lot of time and money to watch it. This entire discussion (from our point of view) is about taking it to the next level. The past (see Cassel in NE or even 2010 Cassel) doesn't matter nearly as much as the future. Not amount of 49ers stats or cherry picking will convince us otherwise. Smith will get his chances (Jax and Dallas aren't it), and we're patiently waiting to see what happens.

The best of the group maybe.

Patient isn't a word I'd use to describe the vast majority. "Alex Smith Sucks" isn't "Alex will have his chance and we are waiting to see what happens."

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Alex Smiff

That record is extremely deceiving. He's been along for the ride on most of those victories.

He rode a top record breaking defense. Top record breaking special teams. Top record breaking running game in 2011.

I love it. You wont acknowledge ANYTHING about what an impact Alex Smith had on both of those defenses. or the run game for that matter. How has that 49er run game been without ALEX SMITH? Not NEARLY as good as it was with him. Why is that? The 49ers talent is STILL on the defensive side of the ball. YOU WERE JUST CRYING YESTERDAY ABOUT THE LACK OF OFFENSIVE TALENT on that team. So, the 2011 version was BETTER? lol, you are a clown........

Originally Posted by Alex Smiff

Atlanta had no business winning that game. They were huge underdogs and still won. It's regarded as an impressive win.

Right. The same amount of turnovers the 9ers had against NO in the playoffs. Your greatest moment as a Smith fanboy.

The one thing about the Alex fanboys. They try so hard to reduce any success that other QBs have but celebrate the mediocrity of their own guy.

Who is trying to reduce anything? Michael Vicks stats in that game weren't impressive, yet you propped him up, and the Saints dropped over 500 yards of total offense on the 49ers defense, even with the turnovers, couldn't stop the saints at ALL in the second half, and Alex did what you are saying he cant do. yet, all you are doing is belittling what he did.

Also, you keep talking about the NFC championship game. You never mention how that Giants defense, held the Falcons to NO offensive points, made AARON RODGERS look horrible, you know the season they went 15-1? In that same Lambeau, and beat up the Patriots in the super bowl. All teams with better offenses, better qbs, and ALL IN BETTER WEATHER I might add, with full weapons. Where Alex Smiths weapons were Delanie Walker first game back off a broken Jaw, Vernon Davis who showed out, Michael Crabtree who the week before dropped three passes, Kyle Williams who fumbled the opening play on a reverse, had two more fumbles on special teams, and almost another one on a dive to catch a punt, brett swain, and joe hastings.

None of that MATTERS?

Originally Posted by Alex Smiff

Kaep has done more in 12 starts than Alex has in his entire 8 year career. Why even bring his name up?

I'll tell you one thing. If Kaep plays like a pussy in 2018 you better believe I'll want him off my team.

Compare Alex to his peers, not guys who are just making their mark in the league.

Yeah. Regardless of what Alex Smith does, if he were 1-4 in divisional games, people will kill him. Alex Smith, for all of his faults, never had a game as hideous as Kaepernicks performance in Seattle. He single handedly wasted a MONSTEROUS display by the defense with his 4 turnovers.

he had more turnovers in the seattle game, than Alex Smith will have in the first 6 or 7 weeks of the season.

Shut up, go back to your 49er board.......

Nevermind. THATS RIGHT BECAUSE YOU ARE SUCH AN UNBEARABLE TOOL YOU GOT BOOTED OFF OF THEM.....

Continue crying you baby back bitch.