The Dark Knight Rises *Spoilers* Thread

[mdchiefsfan]

For anyone who has seen the movie and wants to discuss it.

[Easy 6]

Just got back, enjoyed every minute of it, but... its third best imo.

It seems like he introduced not only too many characters, but too many plot points as well, and didnt flesh out really any of them to my satisfaction... i keep thinking of the Matrix movies after the first one, trying to do too much & muddling everything in the process.

Despite the truly awesome ultra-geek diatribe by Wallcrawler, i'm not at all bothered that Nolan took liberties with the stories of Bane or whatsherface Al-Ghul, he had to try to tie it all together in 3 hours one way or another. Bane was expertly played by Hardy, loved the unexpected voice he used, almost like a Bond villain & his eyes projected as much evil i can imagine possible.

As i figured all along, i am NO fan of the Selena Kyle character, despite Hathaways incredible hotness... Kyle is unnecessary & beyond the bounds of my suspension of disbelief. JGL, his character was a bit more understandable, a cagey & troubled guy for Wayne to pass the torch to.

In the end, i dont feel at all cheated of my $8, but its still the third best one.

[Sure-Oz]

Originally Posted by kaplin42

This feeds into something I was thinking goes with the JGL at the end. I didn't see it brought up in the thread at all, but what if, and a big what if, JGL is Batman Beyond.

It's obvious Bruce is busted up, and can't really continue on, and JGL is right there, I think the plot could work. Bruce could be the mentor while JGL takes to the streets as the next Batman.

I could be, and more than likely am very wrong on this, but I just thought it was as good a guess as any of the others.

I never watched Batman Beyond but was that a good series? i loved the original animated show and at that point it was the best batman anything imo

[Sure-Oz]

Originally Posted by scott free

Just got back, enjoyed every minute of it, but... its third best imo.

It seems like he introduced not only too many characters, but too many plot points as well, and didnt flesh out really any of them to my satisfaction... i keep thinking of the Matrix movies after the first one, trying to do too much & muddling everything in the process.

Despite the truly awesome ultra-geek diatribe by Wallcrawler, i'm not at all bothered that Nolan took liberties with the stories of Bane or whatsherface Al-Ghul, he had to try to tie it all together in 3 hours one way or another. Bane was expertly played by Hardy, loved the unexpected voice he used, almost like a Bond villain & his eyes projected as much evil i can imagine possible.

As i figured all along, i am NO fan of the Selena Kyle character, despite Hathaways incredible hotness... Kyle is unnecessary & beyond the bounds of my suspension of disbelief. JGL, his character was a bit more understandable, a cagey & troubled guy for Wayne to pass the torch to.

In the end, i dont feel at all cheated of my $8, but its still the third best one.

It's a finish to the story...less batman for sure in the 3rd one but some really emotional and tight scenes cause of the first 2 movies.

I loved it, all 3 of them actually

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

It's a finish to the story...less batman for sure in the 3rd one but some really emotional and tight scenes cause of the first 2 movies.

I loved it, all 3 of them actually

Yeah, theres plenty of gripping emotional scenes & i will still buy this for my collection, but its not quite what i was hoping for.

And despite my best intentions, i was glad to see that Wayne lived (atleast in my world) & ran away with the Kyle, although the character seemed to be lesbian... who wants to see Wayne die, anyway.

[Silock]

Just finished seeing it again and it filled in some plot holes for me.

The first is the Bat making it six miles. It's obviously fast, as it can outrun missiles, so that gave me the "comic book movie logicical justification" to let the blast radius thing go.

The stock market fiasco is still a joke to me. I don't understand why it's difficult to determine that trades which wipe out a billionaire at the same time an attack happens are fraudulent. And the sundown at warp speed is a bit weird still.

When Bruce first tries to escape the prison, there are still two months left before the bomb goes off. Even if you give him a month to try two more times and get out, that still leaves a long time to get back into the city. And Bane's forces flat out tell the national guard that they don't have enough men to keep people from crossing the bridge. Fear is the only thing that is holding the people inside. And there is nothing stopping Bruce at that point from going in, especially since there's no way they can guard every way in to the city by water. They allude to as much when Gordon first gets shot in the sewer, saying that the tunnels lead everywhere and they could never find him.

Police officers will be kept alive, Bane says. He was intentionally giving them supplies and feeding them.

Talia early on says something about restoring balance to Gotham, so that was a cool tipoff for later in the movie.

I still don't see how Blake isn't going to be Robin. They never came out and called Kyle cat woman, but you know she is. Blake said he didn't want to wear a mask, and if he's Batman, that would be sorta mandatory. The statue in Batman's honor just signifies that he's gone. Wayne left Blake with the ability to become a new hero for Gotham and the Bat signal just means that someone is going to pick up where Batman left off.

[007]

Yeah, the warp sundown was the thing the bugged me at the time. My oldest was asking me about it too.

[Hammock Parties]

[Jawshco]

The thing I liked best about TDKR was that it had the same climatic ending as the 1960's Batman movie- Somedays you just can't get rid of a Bomb.

[mikeyis4dcats.]

Originally Posted by Silock

Just finished seeing it again and it filled in some plot holes for me.

The first is the Bat making it six miles. It's obviously fast, as it can outrun missiles, so that gave me the "comic book movie logicical justification" to let the blast radius thing go.

The stock market fiasco is still a joke to me. I don't understand why it's difficult to determine that trades which wipe out a billionaire at the same time an attack happens are fraudulent. And the sundown at warp speed is a bit weird still.

When Bruce first tries to escape the prison, there are still two months left before the bomb goes off. Even if you give him a month to try two more times and get out, that still leaves a long time to get back into the city. And Bane's forces flat out tell the national guard that they don't have enough men to keep people from crossing the bridge. Fear is the only thing that is holding the people inside. And there is nothing stopping Bruce at that point from going in, especially since there's no way they can guard every way in to the city by water. They allude to as much when Gordon first gets shot in the sewer, saying that the tunnels lead everywhere and they could never find him.

Police officers will be kept alive, Bane says. He was intentionally giving them supplies and feeding them.

Talia early on says something about restoring balance to Gotham, so that was a cool tipoff for later in the movie.

I still don't see how Blake isn't going to be Robin. They never came out and called Kyle cat woman, but you know she is. Blake said he didn't want to wear a mask, and if he's Batman, that would be sorta mandatory. The statue in Batman's honor just signifies that he's gone. Wayne left Blake with the ability to become a new hero for Gotham and the Bat signal just means that someone is going to pick up where Batman left off.

As I previously said, IMHO JGL becomes the next Batman. This sums it up:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markhugh...ises-spoilers/

[lcarus]

Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats.

As I previously said, IMHO JGL becomes the next Batman. This sums it up:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markhugh...ises-spoilers/

That's what I took from the movie. Doesn't really matter though. He's gonna be the next "hero" of Gotham, whether he's Batman, Robin, Nightwing, Blue Beetle, whatever he may call himself. The last scene with him in the cave and the bats flying past him made it feel like he would be Batman. That doesn't really prove it, but it's just how I felt.

[Hammock Parties]

He'll be Nightwing, because that stands the best chance of making a shitload of cash.

A Nightwing origin story > *

[Silock]

Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats.

As I previously said, IMHO JGL becomes the next Batman. This sums it up:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markhugh...ises-spoilers/

That's all well and good, except Robin never became Batman after he was done being Robin.

I don't think the title has as much literal interpretation to it as some are assigning it. Do you remember the last shot of Batman Begins before it went to the title? What did that have to do with "begins?" I don't at all see it any way except a "hero" rising. Batman left him the capability to fight crime, but I don't see how that makes him Batman. When he became a bat, he was embracing the thing he feared and that's what helped make him so powerful. How could Robin embrace that same thing to the same extent? He needs something of his own to motivate him. He needs his own symbol for justice, not something that was copied from someone else before him.

[CoMoChief]

So if JGL becomes Batman, what's the story behind of how he gets his weapons, and how does he learn how to fight etc. Bruce Wayne got that from League of Shadows and his company's Applied Sciences dept.

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by Silock

That's all well and good, except Robin never became Batman after he was done being Robin.

I don't think the title has as much literal interpretation to it as some are assigning it. Do you remember the last shot of Batman Begins before it went to the title? What did that have to do with "begins?" I don't at all see it any way except a "hero" rising. Batman left him the capability to fight crime, but I don't see how that makes him Batman. When he became a bat, he was embracing the thing he feared and that's what helped make him so powerful. How could Robin embrace that same thing to the same extent? He needs something of his own to motivate him. He needs his own symbol for justice, not something that was copied from someone else before him.

It's not about what he needs, it's about what Gotham City needs.

[Silock]

Gotham needs a hero. It doesn't necessarily need Batman. Harvey Dent could have been the hero that Gotham needed.