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Old 08-18-2012, 08:32 PM  
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Old 08-19-2012, 12:11 PM   #421
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I have said this consistently since we drafted him: Baldwin has Fitz-level upside.
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Old 08-19-2012, 12:20 PM   #422
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I have said this consistently since we drafted him: Baldwin has Fitz-level upside.
achieving that upside to Fitz level means having a top tier QB
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Old 08-19-2012, 12:23 PM   #423
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Old 08-19-2012, 12:23 PM   #424
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Old 08-19-2012, 12:24 PM   #425
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Eh, 26, whatever. There is no good reason as to why he should take three years to develop.
Strike ?? Casshole?? Haley ???
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Old 08-19-2012, 12:25 PM   #426
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Old 08-19-2012, 12:27 PM   #427
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Old 08-19-2012, 12:31 PM   #428
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State your case.

Think Rice still would be miles ahead in stats without Montana and Young? Don't get me wrong Rice with his work ethic would still be in the elite class but he wouldn't be miles ahead of everybody if he had he to deal with QB's like Cassel. He just happened to get lucky having those HOF QB's for the majority of his career(how many WRs get that lucky btw) combined with his work ethic to be the best.
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Old 08-19-2012, 12:36 PM   #429
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Think Rice still would be miles ahead in stats without Montana and Young? Don't get me wrong Rice with his work ethic would still be in the elite class but he wouldn't be miles ahead of everybody if he had he to deal with QB's like Cassel. He just happened to get lucky having those HOF QB's for the majority of his career(how many WRs get that lucky btw) combined with his work ethic to be the best.
What the **** does that have to do with Fitzgerald?

He seemed to get there without a quarterback.
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He seemed to get there without a quarterback.
He did ?? Warner ? Don't get me wrong I believe Fitz would have gotten to that elite level eventually but my whole point is when you have HOF QB's to get your career off to a great start( a la Rice and Fitz) it makes it much easier to get to that Rice/Fitz level of play of which Baldwin DOES NOT have that luxury in Cassel and WHY it will take Baldwin longer IMHO. I along with many others here I believe he has the physical tools to get to that level but he also needs a top tier QB to utilize ALL of his abilities. And top tier QB is not defined as HOF caliber either. But Cassel is not even in the top 20 of this league at this point IMO.
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He did ?? Warner ? Don't get me wrong I believe Fitz would have gotten to that elite level eventually but my whole point is when you have HOF QB's to get your career off to a great start( a la Rice and Fitz) it makes it much easier to get to that Rice/Fitz level of play of which Baldwin DOES NOT have that luxury in Cassel and WHY it will take Baldwin longer IMHO. I along with many others here I believe he has the physical tools to get to that level but he also needs a top tier QB to utilize ALL of his abilities. And top tier QB is not defined as HOF caliber either. But Cassel is not even in the top 20 of this league at this point IMO.
Fitz isn't going in to the HoF because of 2 years of Warner.
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Fitz isn't going in to the HoF because of 2 years of Warner.
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Fitz isn't going in to the HoF because of 2 years of Warner.
You missed the whole point. Dane McDouche said it shouldn't take 3yrs to develop but when you have T Jones caused injury setback because you are an insecure rookie and you have Todd Haley to deal with during a strike ridden year for a rookie especially difficult because you don't get honed up on the playbook and no coaching in the OTA's with Cassel as your QB then it will take you awhile to get up to speed.

No one is questioning whether Baldwin has Fitz tools and Fitz type of play in him but it sure helps when you don't have to deal with an injury during a strike ridden year and have a HOF QB throwing to you to get your career off to a great and fast start like FITZ and RICE did !!
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You missed the whole point. Dane McDouche said it shouldn't take 3yrs to develop but when you have T Jones caused injury setback because you are an insecure rookie and you have Todd Haley to deal with during a strike ridden year for a rookie especially difficult because you don't get honed up on the playbook and no coaching in the OTA's with Cassel as your QB then it will take you awhile to get up to speed.

No one is questioning whether Baldwin has Fitz tools and Fitz type of play in him but it sure helps when you don't have to deal with an injury during a strike ridden year and have a HOF QB throwing to you to get your career off to a great and fast start like FITZ and RICE did !!
Fitzgerald had already been in the league for 4 years when Warner played his first full season as the starter in Arizona.
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You missed the whole point. Dane McDouche said it shouldn't take 3yrs to develop but when you have T Jones caused injury setback because you are an insecure rookie and you have Todd Haley to deal with during a strike ridden year for a rookie especially difficult because you don't get honed up on the playbook and no coaching in the OTA's with Cassel as your QB then it will take you awhile to get up to speed.

No one is questioning whether Baldwin has Fitz tools and Fitz type of play in him but it sure helps when you don't have to deal with an injury during a strike ridden year and have a HOF QB throwing to you to get your career off to a great and fast start like FITZ and RICE did !!
Kurt Warner didn't become the full time starter, you ****ing useless dumbass, until Larry Fitzgerald had already established himself as one of teh elite receivers in the league.
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