Chiefs vs Patriots

[Mythjp]

I came here to talk football. But I was not expecting an air of surender that I have found here. Come on Guys! All is not lost! The Chiefs still have a great O. The D will come in time. Not so long ago the Patriots crawled around on the bottom of the NFL. Look at them now! Have some faith in you team. So what if its not as good as you had hoped for. Come on it is still football. And hey you could have been like the Fins or Browns make all kinds of changes and get worse.

[cadmonkey]

Originally Posted by Gaz

I must have been REALLY bad this year.

xoxo~
Gaz
The reason for the crummy season.

I am not here to judge.......just to poke fun, laugh a little bit at other expense, and look at/post half naked wwomen in the girly thread.

[cadmonkey]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Dillon should have a damn fine game.

I don't see why not, he is averaging almost 5 yards per carry already.

[Gaz]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

We are way too soft on defense. Our safeties are playing like JV High Schoolers.

That is why I differentiate between what I hope will happen and what I expect will happen.

Hope is expectation without justification.

xoxo~
Gaz
Prepared to have his hopes of a potent D dashed yet again.

[Mythjp]

Now thats more like it! Chiefs do a heck of a job against teams that play high school D. Like the Colts. I loved watching Manning react to your scoring time after time. But you are playing against the real thing this week. Patriots are the #3 D in points aloud with a total of 152. Your Chiefs have given up 238 points You give up 26.4 points pergame.
The Pats are giving up only 16.9 points pergame. The Chiefs give up more Yards passing and rushing than the Patriots do. And the Chiefs give up more sacks. You have not faced a D anything close to as good as the Patriots. I hope the Chiefs do get up for the game. It will make it much more intresting. If they don't get up for it the game will be over before the first half is. With the Patriots blowing the Chiefs right out of Arrowhead. I do want to give you folks credit many of your replys in this thread had me LOL A good sign that you really are inteligent fans

[the Talking Can]

our defense is awesome, really....it is not the reason we suck.....really

[KCTitus]

Patriots dont have a great run defense...in fact, it's worse than KC's. That doesnt bode well to go against a team that relies on the run.

Top that off with the DB injuries that NE has and I say KC has a shot...especially at home.

[Mythjp]

Originally Posted by KCTitus

Patriots dont have a great run defense...in fact, it's worse than KC's. That doesnt bode well to go against a team that relies on the run.

Top that off with the DB injuries that NE has and I say KC has a shot...especially at home.

Say What? Chiefs are giving up 116.9 yards rushing per game.
Patriots are giving up 111.3 rushing yards per game.
And you say The Chiefs Run D is better.
Patriots have faced RBs E.James, E.Smith, Travis Henry, W.McGahee, S. Alexander, C.Martin, D.Staley, J Bettis, and M. Faulk All 100 yard + rushers pergame this season. Only the Colts and Steelers got over 100 yards against the Patriots.
How bad do you think your Run D would have been had you faced that kind of talent week after week.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by Mythjp

Now thats more like it! Chiefs do a heck of a job against teams that play high school D. Like the Colts. I loved watching Manning react to your scoring time after time. But you are playing against the real thing this week. Patriots are the #3 D in points aloud with a total of 152. Your Chiefs have given up 238 points You give up 26.4 points pergame.
The Pats are giving up only 16.9 points pergame. The Chiefs give up more Yards passing and rushing than the Patriots do. And the Chiefs give up more sacks. You have not faced a D anything close to as good as the Patriots. I hope the Chiefs do get up for the game. It will make it much more intresting. If they don't get up for it the game will be over before the first half is. With the Patriots blowing the Chiefs right out of Arrowhead. I do want to give you folks credit many of your replys in this thread had me LOL A good sign that you really are inteligent fans

The Chiefs have been playing like down to their competition the last few games. Yeah, I know that sounds funny for a team that is 3-6. Frankly, most Chiefs fans had much higher expectations for this season. The offense can pretty much score on anybody. The Bucs have a pretty stellar D and the Chiefs put up 31 on them at their place. Hell, it should've been at least another TD and maybe even 2.

In the games where they haven't scored as much, the offense just shot themselves in the foot a few too many times - i.e. Saints, Jaguars.

They went into Baltimore and dominated a damn fine defense. So, don't tell me the Chiefs have not faced a good defense. I'm sorry but Belicek doesn't own the copyright on how to play good defense.

[KCTitus]

Originally Posted by Mythjp

Say What? Chiefs are giving up 116.9 yards rushing per game.
Patriots are giving up 111.3 rushing yards per game.
And you say The Chiefs Run D is better.
Patriots have faced RBs E.James, E.Smith, Travis Henry, W.McGahee, S. Alexander, C.Martin, D.Staley, J Bettis, and M. Faulk All 100 yard + rushers pergame this season. Only the Colts and Steelers got over 100 yards against the Patriots.
How bad do you think your Run D would have been had you faced that kind of talent week after week.

I hadnt bothered to look up the latest stats, but prior to this weekend, NE was worse. Fortunately for you, you faced Buffalo and lowered your average.

I throw out Smith, Henry, McGahee, and Faulk from your list...sorry, they're not what they were or even started yet.

KC did face James, he had 33 yards rushing.

There's a reason for this...because NE plays with a lead and teams that play with a lead dont have to defend the run too much.

The only game they've played with more than a 7 pt deficit was the Steelers game and the team folded it up. KC has a good a shot as any to put NE down a quick 14...assuming KC doesnt fumble the ball on the 5 or throw an pick resulting in a 102 yd int return for a TD on the 2nd possession of the game.

*edit* NE's schedule has been much like KC's schedule last year--cakewalk. I'd like to see NE face Jamal Lewis.

[cadmonkey]

Originally Posted by KCTitus

There's a reason for this...because NE plays with a lead and teams that play with a lead dont have to defend the run too much.

Right, so when we take the lead on Monday night we won't have to worry about you guys running either.

[KCTitus]

Originally Posted by cadmonkey

Right, so when we take the lead on Monday night we won't have to worry about you guys running either.

I wouldnt bet on that. KC's been in every game they've played and have yet to abandon the run.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by KCTitus

Patriots dont have a great run defense...in fact, it's worse than KC's. That doesnt bode well to go against a team that relies on the run.

errr....no.

Rushing Yards Allowed:

Pats: 4.1
Chiefs: 4.8

Average Rushing Yards Per Play of Opponents Faced:

Patriots:
Seattle: 4.9
St. Louis: 4.8
Jets: 4.6
Indy: 4.3
Pittsburgh: 4.1
Az: 3.8
Miami: 3.5
Buffalo: 3.5 (x2)

Chiefs:

Atl: 5.0
Indy: 4.6
Denver: 4.2
Jax: 4.1
Ravens: 4.0
NO: 4.0
Carolina: 3.8
TB: 3.7
Houston: 3.4

[KCTitus]

You might try reading the subsequent posts...

[Lzen]

Another thing to add to my last post. Atlanta would be ranked 3rd in points allowed(which would be 2 spots better than the Pats as they are currently ranked 4th - http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NF...G/2004/regular ) if you take away the 56 that our offense hung over their top ranked D. Say what you will but our offense can score points

As for our defense, it hasn't been very good this year, no doubt. But the run defense has improved. For the record, the Chiefs have faced some good runners, as well: Deuce McAllister (great back if he can stay healthy), Edgerrin James, DeShawn Foster (everyone says he's the best backup RB in the league, could be starting for most any other team), Jamal Lewis, Mike Vick (hey, he can run as well as any RB). I'm not saying the Chiefs defense is stellar by any means. But your point about having faced good RBs doesn't mean a whole lot to Chiefs fans.

It's the pass defense that is really killing us.

[bideau]

Originally Posted by KCTitus

I hadnt bothered to look up the latest stats, but prior to this weekend, NE was worse. Fortunately for you, you faced Buffalo and lowered your average.

I throw out Smith, Henry, McGahee, and Faulk from your list...sorry, they're not what they were or even started yet.

KC did face James, he had 33 yards rushing.

There's a reason for this...because NE plays with a lead and teams that play with a lead dont have to defend the run too much.

The only game they've played with more than a 7 pt deficit was the Steelers game and the team folded it up. KC has a good a shot as any to put NE down a quick 14...assuming KC doesnt fumble the ball on the 5 or throw an pick resulting in a 102 yd int return for a TD on the 2nd possession of the game.

*edit* NE's schedule has been much like KC's schedule last year--cakewalk. I'd like to see NE face Jamal Lewis.

James was essentially allowed to run on the Pats. The game planned called for making the Colts work their way down the field and wait for the inevitable Colt choke. They refused to allow Manning to make big plays to his receivers.

McGahee was coming off three consecutive 100+ games.

Against the Steelers, the Pats flat out sucked. Pitt's first two possessions were 3 and out, then on the 3rd, Law went down with is injury. Next play was a bomb over his replacement. Another TD was a pick returned to the house. Having to play catchup usually results in the defense being on the field alot. Pitt comitted to the run at that point and just wore the Pats D down.