Chiefs Cassel 24th out of 29 quarterbacks in downfield passing. - Page 3

Hammock Parties · 05:26 AM

We debated Cassel's downfield passing in another thread earlier this week. I said I would wait for the splits to get updated before I compared him to the rest of the league, and here are the results (completion percentage, TD/INT):

Cassel is 24th out of 29 quarterbacks in the NFL in completion percentage on pass attempts over 10 yards.

I threw out the names in red because they have fewer than 40 attempts.

Henne - 58.6 1/1
Rivers - 54.5 7/5
Schaub - 54.4 4/4
Fitzpatrick - 54.3 7/3
Romo - 51.7 4/2
E. Manning - 50.6 8/4
Young - 50.0 6/1
Kolb - 50.0 2/2
Flacco - 49.4 10/4
Ryan - 49.3 7/2
P. Manning - 48.4 8/1
Rodgers 48.3 10/8
Orton - 47.5 7/3
Favre - 46.9 5/6
Palmer - 46.5 4/3
Garrard - 46.4 4/5
Hasselbeck - 45.2 3/3
Anderson - 45.1 1/2
Bradford - 45 5/5
Sanchez - 44.8 6/2
Cutler - 43.2 3/4
McNabb - 42.8 5/
Brady - 42.0 4/4
Cassel - 41.5 4/2
Brees - 41.4 4/5
Smith - 40.2 4/3
Wallace - 38.2 3/0 (34 att)
Moore - 38.2 3/5 (34 att)
Gradkowski 38.1 2/4
Freeman - 34.2 3/2
Clausen - 30.4 1/1 (23 att)
Hill - 29.5 4/2
Campbell - 25.8 1/2 (22 att)

For comparison, Cassel's downfield passing history:

2009 - 38.8 percent, 8 TD, 13 INT
2008 - 40.2 percent, 12 TD, 8 INT

Notes:

1. Jason Campbell and Bruce Gradkowski suck. We have no business losing to the Raiders.

2. Brees will bump Cassel to 25th in short order.

3. Sanchez, bitches!!!

4. Flacco is a ****ing stud.

5. Impressed by Chad Henne and fearful of Fitzpatrick.

Ebolapox · 10-29-2010, 02:19 AM

you know what the cassel defenders' argument of 'HE'S DEVELOPING' feels like? the movie step brothers...

THEY'RE OUR CHILDREN, WE CAN'T JUST THROW THEM OUT. they'll find their way eventually...BUT THEY'RE 40 YEARS OLD FFS!

yeah, he may be developing (it's debatable, imo). cool. he'll be fully developed, franchise qb within 5-6 years. and we'll have to go through how many role-players waiting for him to be more than a game-manager? moeaki will have several broken bones by then. waters will be gone. we'll likely have new starters at roughly 80% of the positions.

but hey, who cares, we're winning against shitty teams and charlie weis is game-planning to make cassel not look shitty! who freaking cares if our downfield passing game is a joke: HE'S DEVELOPING! (possibly cancer, fwiw)

SenselessChiefsFan · 10-29-2010, 04:24 AM

Only 10 of the QB's above Cassel have a two to one TD to INT ratio over with passes over 10 yards.

Pioli Zombie · 10-29-2010, 04:35 AM

Comparing Brees and Cassel is like comparing DeNiro and Jimmy Fallon.

Extra Point · 10-29-2010, 04:37 AM

Hammock Parties · 10-29-2010, 04:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Only 10 of the QB's above Cassel have a two to one TD to INT ratio over with passes over 10 yards.

That's not really impressive when you consider how often he throws downfield, which isn't much.

**ChiefGator** · 10-29-2010, 04:53 AM

None of the top four quarterbacks on this list have a winning season.

Interesting, but meaningless stats.

And the difference between 50% and 40% downfield passing is what, one less long completion a game? What is defined as downfield anyway?

Hammock Parties · 10-29-2010, 05:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefGator

And the difference between 50% and 40% downfield passing is what, one less long completion a game?

One completion and we'd be 5-1.

Cassel is 22 for 55 over 10 yards.

Schaub (54%) is 31 for 57.

That's a difference of 9 completions and at Schaubs's YPC of 21.67 over 10 yards, a difference of 195 yards, or 32.5 yards per game.

Add 32.5 yards per game to Cassel's per game average and the Chiefs would be 19th in the league in passing instead of 30th.

Marcellus · 10-29-2010, 05:27 AM

As soon as you can show me a correlation between down field passing and winning this will mean something.

We already argued this in another thread. The correlation does not exist.

It's just a straw man argument that was built to have something to bitch about regarding Cassel.

Hammock Parties · 10-29-2010, 05:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus

As soon as you can show me a correlation between down field passing and winning this will mean something.

Favre, Manning and Brees were all in Conference Championship games last year.

Brees - 57%
Manning - 51.5%
Favre - 48%

Who won the AFC West?

Phillip Rivers. 49.7%

Who had the four best records in the league?

Indianapolis
New Orleans
San Diego
Minnesota

Now let's take a look at the other division winners and their quarterbacks.

Dallas - Romo - 49.4%
New England - Brady - 46%
Cincinnati - Palmer - 47.5 %
Arizona - Warner - 56 %

Must be a coincidence.

Chiefs=Champions · 10-29-2010, 05:58 AM

Reerun_KC · 10-29-2010, 06:14 AM

Someone needs to ask Weis and Haley why? Instead of passing off speculation as fact GoChiefs...

Marcellus · 10-29-2010, 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gif Horse

Favre, Manning and Brees were all in Conference Championship games last year.

Brees - 57%
Manning - 51.5%
Favre - 48%

Who won the AFC West?

Phillip Rivers. 49.7%

Who had the four best records in the league?

Indianapolis
New Orleans
San Diego
Minnesota

Now let's take a look at the other division winners and their quarterbacks.

Dallas - Romo - 49.4%
New England - Brady - 46%
Cincinnati - Palmer - 47.5 %
Arizona - Warner - 56 %

Must be a coincidence.

Weak sauce. Lets look at the % at the end of the year since we are using complete year statistics. What's Cassel's % the last 4 games?

Chiefnj2 · 10-29-2010, 07:20 AM

I'm sure that as soon as Polian sees this he'll arrange an off season trade of Manning for Fitzpatrick or Henne.

milkman · 10-29-2010, 07:26 AM

I've said it before.
I'll say it again.

Stats mean jack.

Right now, my team has a QB who I have no confidence in his ability making plays when plays need to be made.

I had more confidence in Bono, in GrBac, in Thigpen.

Earthling · 10-29-2010, 07:39 AM

One mans dump is another mans Cassel.

10-28-2010, 09:41 PM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4300478	Cassel 24th out of 29 quarterbacks in downfield passing. We debated Cassel's downfield passing in another thread earlier this week. I said I would wait for the splits to get updated before I compared him to the rest of the league, and here are the results (completion percentage, TD/INT): Cassel is 24th out of 29 quarterbacks in the NFL in completion percentage on pass attempts over 10 yards. I threw out the names in red because they have fewer than 40 attempts. Henne - 58.6 1/1 Rivers - 54.5 7/5 Schaub - 54.4 4/4 Fitzpatrick - 54.3 7/3 Romo - 51.7 4/2 E. Manning - 50.6 8/4 Young - 50.0 6/1 Kolb - 50.0 2/2 Flacco - 49.4 10/4 Ryan - 49.3 7/2 P. Manning - 48.4 8/1 Rodgers 48.3 10/8 Orton - 47.5 7/3 Favre - 46.9 5/6 Palmer - 46.5 4/3 Garrard - 46.4 4/5 Hasselbeck - 45.2 3/3 Anderson - 45.1 1/2 Bradford - 45 5/5 Sanchez - 44.8 6/2 Cutler - 43.2 3/4 McNabb - 42.8 5/ Brady - 42.0 4/4 Cassel - 41.5 4/2 Brees - 41.4 4/5 Smith - 40.2 4/3 Wallace - 38.2 3/0 (34 att) Moore - 38.2 3/5 (34 att) Gradkowski 38.1 2/4 Freeman - 34.2 3/2 Clausen - 30.4 1/1 (23 att) Hill - 29.5 4/2 Campbell - 25.8 1/2 (22 att) For comparison, Cassel's downfield passing history: 2009 - 38.8 percent, 8 TD, 13 INT 2008 - 40.2 percent, 12 TD, 8 INT Notes: 1. Jason Campbell and Bruce Gradkowski suck. We have no business losing to the Raiders. 2. Brees will bump Cassel to 25th in short order. 3. Sanchez, bitches!!! 4. Flacco is a ***ing stud. 5. Impressed by Chad Henne and fearful of Fitzpatrick. Last edited by Hammock Parties; 10-29-2010 at 05:26 AM..*
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10-29-2010, 02:19 AM	#31
Ebolapox remember, remember Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: como Casino cash: $1679903	you know what the cassel defenders' argument of 'HE'S DEVELOPING' feels like? the movie step brothers... THEY'RE OUR CHILDREN, WE CAN'T JUST THROW THEM OUT. they'll find their way eventually...BUT THEY'RE 40 YEARS OLD FFS! yeah, he may be developing (it's debatable, imo). cool. he'll be fully developed, franchise qb within 5-6 years. and we'll have to go through how many role-players waiting for him to be more than a game-manager? moeaki will have several broken bones by then. waters will be gone. we'll likely have new starters at roughly 80% of the positions. but hey, who cares, we're winning against shitty teams and charlie weis is game-planning to make cassel not look shitty! who freaking cares if our downfield passing game is a joke: HE'S DEVELOPING! (possibly cancer, fwiw)
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