Roku Box?

[DaveNull]

Seasonpass is free, but aTV(Black) is $30 if you buy it from them.

That AppleTVHacks website is brutal. I was researching this the other day and got stuck in this endless loop of linkwhoring between similar sites. How about linking to the original content sources once every 10 pages or so?

Seas0nPass Instructions
aTV Instructions

(I can't vouch for these as I have yet to install them. Soon.)

[DaveNull]

This article from the Times seems to back my perspective.

In the United States, throttling was detected in 23 percent of tests on telecom and cable-television broadband networks, less than the global average of 32 percent. The U.S. operators with higher levels of detected throttling included Insight Communications, a cable-television operator in New York, Kentucky, Indiana and Ohio, where throttling was detected in 38 percent of tests; and Clearwire Communications, where throttling was detected in 35 percent of the tests.

Throttling was detected in 18 percent of tests on Verizon’s landline network and in 30 percent of tests run on AT&T WorldNet Services, the company’s consumer broadband network. Throttling on AT&T’s business network, SBIS-AS AT&T Internet Service, was 18 percent.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by DaveNull

This article from the Times seems to back my perspective.

That's talking about overall throttling due to excessive traffic. That has nothing at all to do with ISPs detecting traffic source and throttling specific websites. Which doesn't happen. And encryption would be irrelevant in that case.

[DaveNull]

Originally Posted by KC Fish

That's talking about overall throttling due to excessive traffic. That has nothing at all to do with ISPs detecting traffic source and throttling specific websites. Which doesn't happen. And encryption would be irrelevant in that case.

Glasnost mimics data transfers using the Bit Torrent file-sharing protocol, and then measures whether operators are slowing uploads and downloads.

Probably not getting into that much of a pissing match over, but with what can be done with QoS on a standard router and deep packet analysis I prefer to keep as much of my traffic encrypted as possible. We just hold different perspectives. You're a much more trusting user who's happy to put their faith into the goodwill of telecoms and and anti-malware providers.

I find telecoms to be distasteful organizations who put good people in prison for years and are hostile to their customers and anti-malware vendors to be snake oil salesmen who convince people to pay for an ineffectual level of protection while devaluing the technology they use and giving them a false sense of security.

Clearly we're two geeks who are perfectly comfortable with our respective world views.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by DaveNull

Probably not getting into that much of a pissing match over, but with what can be done with QoS on a standard router and deep packet analysis I prefer to keep as much of my traffic encrypted as possible. We just hold different perspectives. You're a much more trusting user who's happy to put their faith into the goodwill of telecoms and and anti-malware providers.

I find telecoms to be distasteful organizations who put good people in prison for years and are hostile to their customers and anti-malware vendors to be snake oil salesmen who convince people to pay for an ineffectual level of protection while devaluing the technology they use and giving them a false sense of security.

Clearly we're two geeks who are perfectly comfortable with our respective world views.

"Telecoms", as you say, don't put people in prison. Take a look into how many times an actual ISP has filed charges against one of their users. I'm sure you know a lot about deep packet analysis, but I assure you that your ISP isn't doing it. I have no idea what that has to do with anti-malware vendors though. Anti-malware protection is very real and is an important factor in keeping a PC free of unwanted exploits. A real-time anti-malware scanner like Malwarebytes Pro is one of the most effective applications in keeping a Windows PC free of nasties.

[ILChief]

OK I got XBMC on my apple TV. Can I use it to watch justin.tv videos?

[Fish]

Originally Posted by ILChief

OK I got XBMC on my apple TV. Can I use it to watch justin.tv videos?

Sure you can. Justin.tv is kind of tricky though. If you have the Eden version of XBMC, download the 0.2.2 version. If you're pre-EDEN, download the 0.1.6 version. Download the plugin from here:

http://code.google.com/p/divingmules...downloads/list

Copy that to your atv using an FTP program like Cyberduck. Then install it with the Install From Zip function in System\Ad-ons\Install from zip.

Once you do that, you might have to update your librtmp file.

If the plugin doesn't work after install, download the file from here: http://www.mediafire.com/?q8lswzg307ucfud

Then copy that to private/var/stash/applications/xbmc.frappliance/frameworks/ on the atv.

Let me know if you need more specific instructions on how to do that.

[ILChief]

Originally Posted by KC Fish

Sure you can. Justin.tv is kind of tricky though. If you have the Eden version of XBMC, download the 0.2.2 version. If you're pre-EDEN, download the 0.1.6 version. Download the plugin from here:

http://code.google.com/p/divingmules...downloads/list

Copy that to your atv using an FTP program like Cyberduck. Then install it with the Install From Zip function in System\Ad-ons\Install from zip.

Once you do that, you might have to update your librtmp file.

If the plugin doesn't work after install, download the file from here: http://www.mediafire.com/?q8lswzg307ucfud

Then copy that to private/var/stash/applications/xbmc.frappliance/frameworks/ on the atv.

Let me know if you need more specific instructions on how to do that.

cool thanks. Is there a flash enabled web browser for XBMC?

[ILChief]

Originally Posted by KC Fish

Sure you can. Justin.tv is kind of tricky though. If you have the Eden version of XBMC, download the 0.2.2 version. If you're pre-EDEN, download the 0.1.6 version. Download the plugin from here:

http://code.google.com/p/divingmules...downloads/list

Copy that to your atv using an FTP program like Cyberduck. Then install it with the Install From Zip function in System\Ad-ons\Install from zip.

Once you do that, you might have to update your librtmp file.

If the plugin doesn't work after install, download the file from here: http://www.mediafire.com/?q8lswzg307ucfud

Then copy that to private/var/stash/applications/xbmc.frappliance/frameworks/ on the atv.

Let me know if you need more specific instructions on how to do that.

I'm not sure which version of xbmc i have. I don't think it's the Eden version. I followed the Cydia instructions on this site:

http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title..._on_Apple_TV_2

I went to the list at the link you sent. I tried the 2.2 for eden version. It appeared to install ok and I could browse and search Justin.tv but no streams would play. I didn't see a justin.tv 1.6 in the list. The only 1.6 I saw was for LiveStreams. I installed it but it didn't appear to be justin.tv unless I'm not doing something right.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by ILChief

I'm not sure which version of xbmc i have. I don't think it's the Eden version. I followed the Cydia instructions on this site:

http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title..._on_Apple_TV_2

I went to the list at the link you sent. I tried the 2.2 for eden version. It appeared to install ok and I could browse and search Justin.tv but no streams would play. I didn't see a justin.tv 1.6 in the list. The only 1.6 I saw was for LiveStreams. I installed it but it didn't appear to be justin.tv unless I'm not doing something right.

The 2.2 version only works in Eden. So see what version you have.

To see what version you have, go to XBMC main menu > System > Lower submenu > System info. Note the build date. It will tell you there. It should say XBMC 11.0-BETA1. If you don't have Eden, you should definitely upgrade to it.

The easiest way is to SSH into the aTV(username:root|password:alpine), then run these commands:

apt-get update

apt-get install org.xbmc.xbmc-atv2

Then you have to reboot.

Let me know if that works.

[ILChief]

Originally Posted by KC Fish

The 2.2 version only works in Eden. So see what version you have.

To see what version you have, go to XBMC main menu > System > Lower submenu > System info. Note the build date. It will tell you there. It should say XBMC 11.0-BETA1. If you don't have Eden, you should definitely upgrade to it.

The easiest way is to SSH into the aTV(username:root|password:alpine), then run these commands:

apt-get update

apt-get install org.xbmc.xbmc-atv2

Then you have to reboot.

Let me know if that works.

followed your insructions. this is what i got:
----------------------
Last login: Thu Jan 5 20:25:06 on ttys000
MacBookPro:~ xxxxxx$ ssh root@192.168.0.2
root@xxxxxx's password:
Apple-TV:~ root# apt-get update
Get:1 http://apt.thebigboss.org stable Release.gpg [197B]
Get:2 http://cydia.zodttd.com stable Release.gpg [189B]
Hit http://nitosoft.com Release.gpg
Get:3 http://apt.modmyi.com stable Release.gpg [189B]
Get:4 http://apt.thebigboss.org stable Release [4437B]
Hit http://apt.saurik.com tangelo-3.7 Release.gpg
Get:5 http://cydia.zodttd.com stable Release [1616B]
Hit http://apt.awkwardtv.org stable Release.gpg
Hit http://nitosoft.com Release
Hit http://apt.saurik.com tangelo-3.7 Release
Get:6 http://apt.modmyi.com stable Release [1331B]
Hit http://apt.awkwardtv.org stable Release
Ign http://mirrors.xbmc.org ./ Release.gpg
Get:7 http://cydia.zodttd.com stable/main Packages/DiffIndex [3756B]
Get:8 http://apt.thebigboss.org stable/main Packages/DiffIndex [1468B]
Ign http://nitosoft.com Packages/DiffIndex
Ign http://mirrors.xbmc.org ./ Release
Get:9 http://cydia.zodttd.com stable/main 2012-01-06-2000.04+2012-01-07-1900.24.pdiff [2345B]
Get:10 http://cydia.zodttd.com stable/main 2012-01-06-2000.04+2012-01-07-1900.24.pdiff [2345B]
Ign http://apt.saurik.com tangelo-3.7/main Packages/DiffIndex
Hit http://nitosoft.com Packages
Get:11 http://cydia.zodttd.com stable/main 2012-01-06-2000.04+2012-01-07-1900.24.pdiff [2345B]
Get:12 http://apt.thebigboss.org stable/main Packages [856kB]
Get:13 http://apt.modmyi.com stable/main Packages/DiffIndex [3777B]
Hit http://apt.saurik.com tangelo-3.7/main Packages
Hit http://apt.awkwardtv.org stable/main Packages/DiffIndex
Get:14 http://apt.modmyi.com stable/main Packages [1834kB]
Ign http://mirrors.xbmc.org ./ Packages/DiffIndex
Hit http://mirrors.xbmc.org ./ Packages
Fetched 2710kB in 23s (117kB/s)
Reading package lists... Done
W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://apt.awkwardtv.org stable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/apt.awkwardtv.org_dists_stable_main_binary-iphoneos-arm_Packages)
W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
Apple-TV:~ root# apt-get install org.xbmc.xbmc-atv2
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
org.xbmc.xbmc-atv2 is already the newest version.
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 11 not upgraded.
Apple-TV:~ root#

[Fish]

He he... Nope. There isn't a flash supported browser. Firecore actually created support for Flash in their Couchsurfer browser, but said that the Flash performance was so bad they removed it. Couchsurfer does HTML5 video though.

Here's a good thread with all the best video plugins:

http://forum.xbmc.org/forumdisplay.php?f=154

My favorites are Icefilms, Hulu, Sportsdevil, Justin.TV, Navi-X, Free Cable, Pandora.

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by KC Fish

He he... Nope. There isn't a flash supported browser. Firecore actually created support for Flash in their Couchsurfer browser, but said that the Flash performance was so bad they removed it. Couchsurfer does HTML5 video though.

Here's a good thread with all the best video plugins:

http://forum.xbmc.org/forumdisplay.php?f=154

My favorites are Icefilms, Hulu, Sportsdevil, Justin.TV, Navi-X, Free Cable, Pandora.

You can follow these instructions to enable it. http://firecore.zendesk.com/entries/259320

Or you can use Boxee which supports it.

[DaveNull]

Didn't the Wii support Flash in its web browser?

[Huffmeister]

This thread got me looking into devices like the Roku, WD Live, Apple TV, etc. I came across the Logitech Revue, and it sounds awesome. It has all of the streaming that the other devices have, but it also lets you connect your cable box's hdmi output to it so that you can watch your cable TV through the device as well.

Alas, Logitech has discontinued it and Best Buy no longer sells it (even though they have a huge demo display of it).

Are there any other media streaming boxes out there that let you integrate your cable TV into it? Time Warner's cable box guide interface is god awful.