Chiefs LT Eugene Monroe in round 1? Pioli-Haley-Groh-Albert-Monroe - Page 3

T-post Tom · 01:16 AM

Holy six degrees of separation Batman. So Charlie Casserly thinks the Chiefs are going with E. Monroe out of Virgina. I know some of you despise that idea, but I'm just repeating what he said. His theory on why Monroe makes sense:

1) Monroe has value at #3. Stud player. (Awesome Pro Day & Combine.)
2) Continuity as Albert/Monroe played together at UVA.
3) Albert/Monroe = bookends to to protect Cassel (& big $$ investment).
4) Pioli, Haley & Groh (HC at Virgina) all coached at Jets together. Groh loves Monroe. Pioli/Haley respect Groh's opinion & will listen.
5) Chiefs might be able to trade down a position or so and still get Monroe while picking up an extra pick(s).

My apologies in advance if this is a repost.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-10-2009, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

My second ever post here -

Haley already said that "Branden Albert is not one of the problems on this football team."

We are not drafting a left tackle with the #3 pick overall. Period. Write it down.

The defense just set an NFL record for fewest sacks in a season, gave up 300+ yards rushing in a game and set other inept records against the run, and has possibly the worst overall front 7 in the league.

Anyone who thinks it's a good idea or ever was a good idea to take another left tackle, especially in the first round when we don't have a second round pick, is galactically stupid and should remove the ability from their body to discuss football related topics via some kind of surgery.

First off, Albert is a franchise left tackle. The guy missed most of camp, then gave up 4.5 sacks all season and owned some very good pass rushers along the way. He's only going to get better if you just leave him out there. Yet some would be ok with taking him and moving him to a lesser position at right tackle, where his footwork and initial sets would completely change and he would have a learning curve all over again? Not to mention, Albert is not a typical mauling right tackle. He might actually not be that great there for a lot of reasons.

Having bookend tackles is not required for having a great offense. The right tackle position can be handled by an average without much thought. Most Chief fans just love to find them some players they can hate on, but after about midseason McIntosh was actually pretty solid at RT once his footwork became more natural to him. I'm not saying we couldn't upgrade at RT, but switching Albert to RT is incredibly stupid. The offense was good enough at times near the end of the season to win games but the defense couldn't stop the run or pass, and some people think it wouldn't be a bad idea to take a left tackle? Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb.

This team should take no less than 5 defensive players in this draft.

I thought I'd never see it again. A n00b whose not a completely dumb sonofabitch.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-10-2009, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

How hard is it really for a guy to switch from one side to the other? LTvs.RT? I know McInsuck did terrible on both sides. Can't a good LT be a good RT?

Absolutely not. LT is a position that demands athleticism and technique. RT is a position that values brute strength and mauling. Your LT should be your best athlete on the line, and should have great feet. Your RT should be your biggest guy, and should be among the strongest and most physically violent on the line.

Garcia Bronco · 04-10-2009, 07:49 AM

You can get all the ex-UVA linemen you want, but they get abused when they play real competition. That's why UVA sucks at football every year.

philfree · 04-10-2009, 07:50 AM

If we go OT I'd rather have Andre Smith and his 330 plous pounds playing RT and leave Alberts at LT. Andre seems a little risky but at one point he was considered the best OT in the draft. I'm not saying I want to go OT but we really have no idea what pioli is gonna do. Our HC is from the offensive side of the ball though so I could see him wanting to get the O line in order to protect our new QB. With Cassel and a sound O line this offense will be ready to roll.

PhilFree

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-10-2009, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

You can get all the ex-UVA linemen you want, but they get abused when they play real competition. That's why UVA sucks at football every year.

Yeah. Branden Albert, Chris Long, and D'Brickashaw Ferguson have all proven to be complete ****ing bums.

Coogs · 04-10-2009, 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

My second ever post here -

Haley already said that "Branden Albert is not one of the problems on this football team."

We are not drafting a left tackle with the #3 pick overall. Period. Write it down.

The defense just set an NFL record for fewest sacks in a season, gave up 300+ yards rushing in a game and set other inept records against the run, and has possibly the worst overall front 7 in the league.

Anyone who thinks it's a good idea or ever was a good idea to take another left tackle, especially in the first round when we don't have a second round pick, is galactically stupid and should remove the ability from their body to discuss football related topics via some kind of surgery.

First off, Albert is a franchise left tackle. The guy missed most of camp, then gave up 4.5 sacks all season and owned some very good pass rushers along the way. He's only going to get better if you just leave him out there. Yet some would be ok with taking him and moving him to a lesser position at right tackle, where his footwork and initial sets would completely change and he would have a learning curve all over again? Not to mention, Albert is not a typical mauling right tackle. He might actually not be that great there for a lot of reasons.

Having bookend tackles is not required for having a great offense. The right tackle position can be handled by an average without much thought. Most Chief fans just love to find them some players they can hate on, but after about midseason McIntosh was actually pretty solid at RT once his footwork became more natural to him. I'm not saying we couldn't upgrade at RT, but switching Albert to RT is incredibly stupid. The offense was good enough at times near the end of the season to win games but the defense couldn't stop the run or pass, and some people think it wouldn't be a bad idea to take a left tackle? Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb.

This team should take no less than 5 defensive players in this draft.

I was with you right up to the last sentence. If we trade down and pick up a boat load of picks, then I might go with you on 5 spots for the defense.

I know I am in the minority here, but without a trade down, I like either Sanchez or Crabtree at #3 in that order. Then in the 3rd and 4th right now, it looks like bolstering the O-line may be a better way to go than marginal defenders.

Next year is where the defense should be upgraded.

Now if we trade down... then it is a whole different draft board.

Coogs · 04-10-2009, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by philfree

If we go OT I'd rather have Andre Smith and his 330 plous pounds playing RT and leave Alberts at LT. Andre seems a little risky but at one point he was considered the best OT in the draft. I'm not saying I want to go OT but we really have no idea what pioli is gonna do. Our HC is from the offensive side of the ball though so I could see him wanting to get the O line in order to protect our new QB. With Cassel and a sound O line this offense will be ready to roll.

PhilFree

If we can muster a trade down, this makes a whole lot more sense than moving Albert. But it still wouldn't be my top choice even under a trade down scenario to grab a RT in round 1.

philfree · 04-10-2009, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

If we can muster a trade down, this makes a whole lot more sense than moving Albert. But it still wouldn't be my top choice even under a trade down scenario to grab a RT in round 1.

It wouldn't be mine either but it might work out really well.

PhilFree

Rooster · 04-10-2009, 08:13 AM

If the first pick for Chiefs isn't on Sports Center every night then he sucks. -----Chiefs Planet Logic

T-post Tom · 04-10-2009, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

You can HAVE bookend tackles without committing $100 million in contracts and two first-round draft picks to the position.

The Colts have Ryan Diem - 4th round

The GREATEST PASSING OFFENSE EVER - the 1999 Rams - featured 5th rounder Fred Miller at RT.

Do you know where the Bills got Howard Ballard? THE 11TH ****ING ROUND! THEY HAD THE TOP RANKED OFFENSE IN 1993!

Guess where they drafted their left tackle? Where you draft left tackles. THE FIRST ROUND.

Get a right tackle someplace else. They are spare parts. You give one $50 million and you're wasting money.

Have your manjuices backed up into your brain? Dude, I know a few gals that will help you out.

The Chiefs can easily budget another top flight tackle. Especially one that appears to be fit for instant duty. Give me a break.

RTs are spare fookin' parts? I have but four points to make:

1) Trezelle Jenkins
2) Jeff Criswell (Hwy 69)
3) Kyle Turley
4) Damien McIntosh

Case closed.

**The Franchise** · 04-10-2009, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by T-post Tom

Have your manjuices backed up into your brain? Dude, I know a few gals that will help you out.

The Chiefs can easily budget another top flight tackle. Especially one that appears to be fit for instant duty. Give me a break.

RTs are spare fookin' parts? I have but four points to make:

1) Trezelle Jenkins
2) Jeff Criswell (Hwy 69)
3) Kyle Turley
4) Damien McIntosh

Case closed.

Just because we've sucked at it for the last 10 years.....doesn't make it true.

And we can easily budget for a top flight tackle....right now. Give it 4 years down the road when Brandon Albert wants to be paid as a LT...when he's playing another position....and you won't be able to spend that money on a position that's of actual need.

Brock · 04-10-2009, 09:59 AM

I can definitely see this happening. I don't like it, but they haven't asked me.

kcsam07 · 04-10-2009, 10:07 AM

i dont know imo its either curry or everett brown at 3 or we trade down case closed imo

**J Diddy** · 04-10-2009, 10:25 AM

I think the notion of moving albert to rt and putting a rookie in at lt is laughable at best. Albert held his own last year and the idea that we could get two rookie lts to do that back to back years is plain silly. We have a lt and won't get value at 3 to pick a rt. This team needs playmakers, be it offense or defense but they have to impact.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-10-2009, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

This team should take no less than 5 defensive players in this draft.

Bullshit.

This draft sucks for defensive talent. It would be a colossal mistake to take guys just to take guys.

2010 is the year for defense in the draft. Not 2009.

04-10-2009, 01:11 AM
T-post Tom Threepeat! Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Milk/Honey/Gazland Casino cash: $4377293	LT Eugene Monroe in round 1? Pioli-Haley-Groh-Albert-Monroe Holy six degrees of separation Batman. So Charlie Casserly thinks the Chiefs are going with E. Monroe out of Virgina. I know some of you despise that idea, but I'm just repeating what he said. His theory on why Monroe makes sense: 1) Monroe has value at #3. Stud player. (Awesome Pro Day & Combine.) 2) Continuity as Albert/Monroe played together at UVA. 3) Albert/Monroe = bookends to to protect Cassel (& big $$ investment). 4) Pioli, Haley & Groh (HC at Virgina) all coached at Jets together. Groh loves Monroe. Pioli/Haley respect Groh's opinion & will listen. 5) Chiefs might be able to trade down a position or so and still get Monroe while picking up an extra pick(s). My apologies in advance if this is a repost. Last edited by T-post Tom; 04-10-2009 at 01:16 AM..
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J Diddy Don't Be A Dick Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Joplin Casino cash: $6757192	I think the notion of moving albert to rt and putting a rookie in at lt is laughable at best. Albert held his own last year and the idea that we could get two rookie lts to do that back to back years is plain silly. We have a lt and won't get value at 3 to pick a rt. This team needs playmakers, be it offense or defense but they have to impact.
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