Fantasy Football Who's your guy in the 4th quarter when losing to an above .500 team: Alex or Aa - Page 3

Discuss Thrower · 07-13-2013, 09:16 AM

I pulled this link off of Reddit thinking this would be a great source of friendly banter and enlightened discussion. Who's more clutch in a comeback against winning teams? You want Captain Checkdown II- Electric Boogaloo or you want the Discount Double Check guy?

Spoiler!

DISCUS.

**Mav** · 07-13-2013, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

This.

And once the HC realized his defense was $#itting its pants (see last 11 games for SF) He decided to make a move at QB. He had to.

He no longer had the defense to play Martyball. His secondary was puking pts and his front 7 wasn't getting pressure/turnovers.

He needed that extra offensive spark he hoped the Kap could provide...

No Rausch. This is what you said. They made the switch when Alex Smith got a concussion in the FIRST quarter of the rams game coming off their buy. Their defense hadn't given up a touchdown in two weeks and he decided to stay with Kaep. Now, while its true the team struggled in that Rams game, their defense the following week on Monday night football, destroyed the bears, Aldon Smith had 5.5 sacks, and all was great in the world. The next week after that, they went to new Orleans, and the defense demolished the Saints. I just told you, that the defense didn't actually start going to shit until the new England game, and that was only in the second half, and continued the rest of the season. That had zero to do with making the qb switch because that was already done 4 weeks earlier. I showed you about the games that alex smith had started because the defense was NUMBER ****ING ONE IN THE NFL UP UNTIL THAT POINT, and didn't actually take a shit until WELL AFTER KAEP WAS THE QB.

I don't mind the Kaep is a better qb arguments, Kaep is Jims guy, Alex Smith sucks, but don't try to use the defense sucking, as justification as to why the qb switch was made. That's just dumb horse shit.

Imon Yourside · 07-13-2013, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Steve Bono = Best QB in Chiefs history...

You...Betcha!

**Mav** · 07-13-2013, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Fish

"What-have-u-done-for-me-lately" AKA "Throw-out-bad-stats-that-show-my-opinion-as-being-reeruned"

uh, or that two players got much better under great coaching? This is difficult to understand?

Hammock Parties · 07-13-2013, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

You don't seem to understand that one of the reasons why the 49er defense was so good is because ASmith kept them off the field. .

Again, he didn't do this.

49ers third down conversion percentage? Shit.

It's a complete myth that the 49ers defense benefited in ANY way from Alex Smith.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-13-2013, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Assuming Team Scores 24 points in both circumstances, is it better that they score those 24 points with 29 minutes or for 32 minutes in time of possession?

It makes no material difference, and TOP is an antiquated concept anyway. You can run more plays in those 29 minutes and take more real time away than in those 32 minutes if the clock is consistently running.

Sandy Vagina · 07-13-2013, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER

Again, he didn't do this.

49ers third down conversion percentage? Shit.

It's a complete myth that the 49ers defense benefited in ANY way from Alex Smith.

#1 quarterback on 1st down. Oh, but let's overlook that and focus on the particular numbers that strengthen your agenda.

Hoover · 07-13-2013, 11:24 AM

I'm pulling for Alex Smith, and I really don't understand the mindset of those who would rather just bitch about him being our QB.

1. Smith has talent.
2. Smith has shown that he can be a successful NFL QB with proper coaching.

I like the fact that he has a huge chip on his shoulder. Dude did everything that he was asked to do in SF and got benched. I would not be surprised if Smith ends up having a better year in KC than Kaep has in SF this year.

Sandy Vagina · 07-13-2013, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoover

I'm pulling for Alex Smith, and I really don't understand the mindset of those who would rather just bitch about him being our QB.

1. Smith has talent.
2. Smith has shown that he can be a successful NFL QB with proper coaching.

I like the fact that he has a huge chip on his shoulder. Dude did everything that he was asked to do in SF and got benched. I would not be surprised if Smith ends up having a better year in KC than Kaep has in SF this year.

Discuss Thrower · 07-13-2013, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

It makes no material difference, and TOP is an antiquated concept anyway. You can run more plays in those 29 minutes and take more real time away than in those 32 minutes if the clock is consistently running.

Six of the top ten leaders in TOP made the playoffs in 2012... I don't agree it's totally antiquated given the Ravens won the SB and was 30th in the stat.

**Rausch** · 07-13-2013, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Maverick91579

No Rausch. This is what you said. They made the switch when Alex Smith got a concussion in the FIRST quarter of the rams game coming off their buy.

Which would be week 10, right?

I'd argue, and would correct myself, that the last 12 games started to show the weakness in the D.

Their pass D became suspect and their pass rush was feast or famine.

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Originally Posted by Maverick91579

I just told you, that the defense didn't actually start going to shit until the new England game, and that was only in the second half, and continued the rest of the season. That had zero to do with making the qb switch...

It had everything to do with the QB move.

The defense had shown it was no longer dominant and Kap had proven enough to make the HC think he could spark points when there was no play out there.

This year the 49'ERS won't be a top 10 defense. The Squawks and Lambs will both schred them. And they play a 1st place schedule that puts them up vs. the best in the NFC...

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-13-2013, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Six of the top ten leaders in TOP made the playoffs in 2012... I don't agree it's totally antiquated given the Ravens won the SB and was 30th in the stat.

Question:

Were the Chiefs better in TOP with Vermeil or with Herm in 2006?

Team #1: Explosive offense, poor defense: TOP 32:08

Team #2: Ground and pound offense, mediocre defense: TOP 30:30

Your argument is wrong on two fronts:

#1) Having a ball control offense doesn't actually result in a huge TOP advantage
#2) TOP doesn't actually matter that much anyway. Plays run is more important.

Fish · 07-13-2013, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Maverick91579

uh, or that two players got much better under great coaching? This is difficult to understand?

Or a coach figured out how to work around their deficiencies. The QB was still averaging less than 200 yards a game during the time you're focusing on, so you can't really claim the player got much better. Your argument still hinges on Harbaugh...

Discuss Thrower · 07-13-2013, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Question:

Were the Chiefs better in TOP with Vermeil or with Herm in 2006?

Team #1: Explosive offense, poor defense: TOP 32:08

Team #2: Ground and pound offense, mediocre defense: TOP 30:30

Your argument is wrong on two fronts:

#1) Having a ball control offense doesn't actually result in a huge TOP advantage
#2) TOP doesn't actually matter that much anyway. Plays run is more important.

My point is, and it pains me to say it, that Herm isn't necessarily wrong in that you can score "too fast" in a game. Plays run is a better indicator of success, but you still need to be able control the clock in situations.

Sandy Vagina · 07-13-2013, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Fish

Or a coach figured out how to work around their deficiencies. The QB was still averaging less than 200 yards a game during the time you're focusing on, so you can't really claim the player got much better. Your argument still hinges on Harbaugh...

How can a person be so stupid as to focus on yardage like this? It's all about efficiency. Can you really not get that?

Take the SF/NYJ game, for instance. We obliterated the Jets on the ground... racked up 250 rushing yards and methodically owned them. Why? maybe the QB was reading the D and orchestrating the right calls?

... because Alex didn't need to chuck up the ball, he should be.. punished? I swear, you people have to be the product of inbreeding +/or cracked out parents.

Fish · 07-13-2013, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

How can a person be so stupid as to focus on yardage like this? It's all about efficiency. Can you really not get that?

Take the SF/NYJ game, for instance. We obliterated the Jets on the ground... racked up 250 rushing yards and methodically owned them. Why? maybe the QB was reading the D and orchestrating the right calls?

... because Alex didn't need to chuck up the ball, he should be.. punished? I swear, you people have to be the product of inbreeding +/or cracked out parents.

... It's all about whatever stats you need to cherry pick....

Hopefully we won't need to chuck the ball either. I'm sure Andy Reid's offense will focus on running....

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Hoover Rufus Dawes Jr. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $1228179	I'm pulling for Alex Smith, and I really don't understand the mindset of those who would rather just bitch about him being our QB. 1. Smith has talent. 2. Smith has shown that he can be a successful NFL QB with proper coaching. I like the fact that he has a huge chip on his shoulder. Dude did everything that he was asked to do in SF and got benched. I would not be surprised if Smith ends up having a better year in KC than Kaep has in SF this year.
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