Why not Kellen Moore ?

[DaKCMan AP]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Brees was 6' 213lbs. Lets see what Moore comes in at. Plus, Brees had a stronger arm in college.

& played against tougher competition on a regular basis.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

& played against tougher competition on a regular basis.

To be fair, Moore played (and BEAT) some pretty damn good teams.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

To be fair, Moore played (and BEAT) some pretty damn good teams.

This. Moore seems to have shown everything you'd like to see in a QB...aside from physically ability.

And BTW, just because Brees is short means dick.

Same ol' reeruned comparison.

But Brees is short (Moore)

But Brady was a late round Pick (every Late rnd Qb we think is a Franchise guy)

the list goes on and on.


These are called exceptions. And the list of Exceptions, people, is a very, very, very short list.

[OzarksChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Brees was 6' 213lbs. Lets see what Moore comes in at. Plus, Brees had a stronger arm in college.

Here is an excerpt from the NFLdraftscout on Brees at the combine.

"Lacks accuracy and touch on his long throws...Seems more comfortable in the short/intermediate passing attack...Does not possess the ideal height you look for in a pro passer, though his ability to scan the field helps him compensate in this area...Will improvise and run when the passing lanes are clogged, but tends to run through defenders rather than trying to avoid them to prevent unnecessary punishment."

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by OzarksChiefsFan

Here is an excerpt from the NFLdraftscout on Brees at the combine.

"Lacks accuracy and touch on his long throws...Seems more comfortable in the short/intermediate passing attack...Does not possess the ideal height you look for in a pro passer, though his ability to scan the field helps him compensate in this area...Will improvise and run when the passing lanes are clogged, but tends to run through defenders rather than trying to avoid them to prevent unnecessary punishment."

Brees averaged something like 5.3 yards per attempt his first 2 seasons in the NFL. He made Matt Cassel look like a long bomber.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Brees averaged something like 5.3 yards per attempt his first 2 seasons in the NFL. He made Matt Cassel look like a long bomber.

Also true.

Everyone wants to act like Brees was some great QB coming out of college. He wasn't. He wasn't very good at all actually. He didn't start playing worth a shit till the Chargers took Rivers in the 1st. Then he had an 'ok' season.

[suds79]

Originally Posted by OzarksChiefsFan

The guy has a 50/3 record as a starter and NFL scouts say he has great pocket presence. He is the same size as Drew Brees and has compiled better college stats. Something about guys that win translates better to the NFL than guys with size. I think he will be a better pro than Cousins for sure who has an NFL body. I still remember this QB drafted by the niners in the third round that was too skinny and rag armed that all he did in college was win....

Drew Brees (6'0 the bare minimum) has become the Muggsy Bogues of the NFL. One small guys makes it and all of a sudden every short person has a chance.

Lets see what he measures in at the combine. If he's 5'11? He's done.

[L.A. Chieffan]

Moore plays on a blue field. How many other successful qbs in the NFL came from an all blue field? Exactly

[jd1020]

Look at that weak ass arm. Looks like Tyler Palko throwing the ball...

[DJ's left nut]

Put Moore in a situation like New Orleans where he can play his home games indoors and his road divisional games in warm-weather, easy climates and maybe he can do a passable job.

But his arm simply isn't strong enough to drive the football. If he's going to be throwing in a stiff wind or in cold conditions where the ball gets heavy; hell if he has to throw in the rain - you're going to have to eliminate half the playbook because he can't power the football through the conditions.

Additionally, a quarterback like Moore (and even Brees to a lesser extent) has to rely on perfect timing to get the ball to his WRs because he doesn't have the arm strength to fire it in there. As such, the windows get smaller before DBs are able to break on the ball and knock them away; his fastball simply isn't quick enough to blow by a defensive back. For a rhythm offense to work correctly, you have to pass the ball a TON. If you don't, you're going to get a lot of DBs driving on out routes, even short ones, and housing them against you.

So for Moore to be successful here, we'd have to build a pass-first, timing offense around a physically limited quarterback...and pray it never rains, snows or is otherwise windy.

There aren't a lot of guys out there that are easier to root for than Moore, but the fact is that he's simply not physically strong enough to be a viable option for a 'full-climate' team like Kansas City. Especially not when our defense is built around a 2-gap, fairly passive defensive scheme. We'd want a much more aggressive defense if we were going to build an offense for Moore to thrive in. Crennel's not going to abandon the scheme he's adhered to for decades for Kellen Moore.

Sorry - but he's not a good fit here, at all. I'd rather have Cousins or Osweiler late. Hell, if we're going w/ undersized QBs, I'd rather have Keenum or Russell Wilson. It's not because Moore's short, it's because he has a popgun arm.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

So for Moore to be successful here, we'd have to build a pass-first, timing offense around a physically limited quarterback...and pray it never rains, snows or is otherwise windy.

And we'd have to become a pass first team because?????

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by jd1020

And we'd have to become a pass first team because?????

Because you can't run a rhythm offense passing the ball 22 times/gm. How are WRs and QBs going to get into and stay in-synch that way?

The margin for error w/ a weak-armed QB is so slight that everything has to timed to within a second here or there. If you're only passing to set up the run, that timing is never going to be as good as it needs to be.

You can't use a guy like Moore as a starter in a run-first offense.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Because you can't run a rhythm offense passing the ball 22 times/gm. How are WRs and QBs going to get into and stay in-synch that way?

The margin for error w/ a weak-armed QB is so slight that everything has to timed to within a second here or there. If you're only passing to set up the run, that timing is never going to be as good as it needs to be.

You can't use a guy like Moore as a starter in a run-first offense.

In all fairness, if we're only passing the ball 22 times a game, we probably aren't winning anyway. The offense, at some point, will have to open up.

isn't that the reason we are looking for a Franchise QB?



Not a good argument IMO.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

In all fairness, if we're only passing the ball 22 times a game, we probably aren't winning anyway. The offense, at some point, will have to open up.

isn't that the reason we are looking for a Franchise QB?

Not a good argument IMO.

If we're passing 40 times/gm, Romeo's 2-gap scheme is going to be far less effective and that bend but don't break thing just isn't going to fly.

And even if we throw the ball 30 times/gm, I don't want to be doing it from an offense like the Saints or even the Pats. I know everyone wants to say the running game is dead, but I disagree. Trying to be exclusively a running team may be dead, but I still think to have a consistently successful team you need to have no worse than an above-average running game. You need to be able to present a credible threat of running the football at all times and you need to be able to adapt on days that the pass just isn't working (some days that's going to happen).

I want to remain no worse than a single-back offense starting from under center. If you're going to run a small, undersized quarterback out there you essentially have to operate a pure timing-pattern, shotgun style offense where you run the ball as something of a changeup.

I don't like that idea at all. I don't mind having it in our bag, but I damn sure don't want to build an offense focused on that kind of football; it's simply too dependent on things you can't control. Further, it also requires a HOF caliber QB to operate it well.

I know we keep looking to teams like NO, NE and GB as 'model' offenses, but that's because they happen to have 3 QBs that are potential HOFers by the time all is said and done, hell all 3 could end up being considered top 20 guys ever. Even if we hit on a 'franchise' guy, it's going to be more like Eli Manning or Cutler or Big Ben; guys that are very good QBs but all of those guys need versatile, rounded offenses to succeed.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

You can't use a guy like Moore as a starter in a run-first offense.

You are going to have to go deeper into explaining this.

Moore doesn't have an Aaron Rodgers arm but he's thrown 50 yard deep balls to his receivers in stride on multiple occasions in college. He can get the ball down field if he wants and can put enough zip, coupled with his accuracy, to beat defenses on short-mid routes.