Goonther outcoached by Bed & Breakfast Boy today - Page 3

FloridaMan88 · 11-19-2006, 08:30 PM

Raiders actually looked like an NFL offense today... that is humiliation enough for Goonther.

Goonther cements himself as the Paul Hackett of defensive coordinators with every passing game. Goonther probably french kisses pictures of DT, Neil Smith and James Hasty before every game thanking them for creating the mirage (that the Chiefs are apparently still buying into) that he is a competent defensive coordinator.

Toad · 11-19-2006, 11:48 PM

13 points is not bad, although a good offense would have turned it into at least 20.

One question- did we have even ONE sack on D today?

milkman · 11-19-2006, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Toad

13 points is not bad, although a good offense would have turned it into at least 20.

One question- did we have even ONE sack on D today?

Technically, yes.

Brooks was flushed out of the pocket and ran OOB about a yard behind the LOS.

kcxiv · 11-19-2006, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Points allowed is the bottom line, but I just can't get over how this defense is abused on 3rd and long situations.

ole gun has always been about Bend but dont Break. Even in the 90's the CHiefs gave up some yards but didnt Allow many points.

milkman · 11-19-2006, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by kcxiv

ole gun has always been about Bend but dont Break. Even in the 90's the CHiefs gave up some yards but didnt Allow many points.

And in case you haven't noticed, I've always been a Gunt basher.

**Rausch** · 11-20-2006, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88

Raiders actually looked like an NFL offense today... that is humiliation enough for Goonther.

Goonther cements himself as the Paul Hackett of defensive coordinators with every passing game. Goonther probably french kisses pictures of DT, Neil Smith and James Hasty before every game thanking them for creating the mirage (that the Chiefs are apparently still buying into) that he is a competent defensive coordinator.

Once again, 13 pts allowed should be enough to beat any team any week.

Period.

kcxiv · 11-20-2006, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

And in case you haven't noticed, I've always been a Gunt basher.

yeah, and thats fine. Long as the Chiefs win, i could care less how they do it, if its by 40 or by 1.

ChiefsFanatic · 11-20-2006, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by kcxiv

ole gun has always been about Bend but dont Break. Even in the 90's the CHiefs gave up some yards but didnt Allow many points.

The NFL ranks defenses by yards given up per game, and Gun had the #1 defense a couple of times, and was in the top 5 a couple of times, IIRC.

kcxiv · 11-20-2006, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic

The NFL ranks defenses by yards given up per game, and Gun had the #1 defense a couple of times, and was in the top 5 a couple of times, IIRC.

i think we may have been up there, but i think we were tops in the top 5 in scoring D back in them days. Remember i think it was 97 when we didnt give up a td in the second half for like 12 games in a row or something insane like that.

Crashride · 11-20-2006, 02:53 AM

Defense stepped it up in the second half. They missed crucial sacks but didnt give up points. Do that consistanly plus taking the leash off Trent and we have ourselves a contender

el borracho · 11-20-2006, 02:57 AM

Brooks isn't very good but at this point in time he is miles ahead of Walters. The Raidurr team we played today was bad but not as bad as they have been with Walters under center. If Walters had played the whole game the Chiefs could have padded their defensive stats. As it is, we take the win.

boogblaster · 11-20-2006, 08:03 AM

Gun calls the plays..he doesnt play on the field ...hes as good as most DCs..13 points isnt that bad....

Gaz · 11-20-2006, 08:10 AM

No interior push. That is the major problem with our Defense. I was surprised that Gunther did not blitz more.

This thread is seriously misguided.

xoxo~
Gaz
Wonders if Gunther can play DT.

Chiefs_Mike_Topeka · 11-20-2006, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Yes, they are improved, but aside from 3rd and long issue, this team still also has tackling issues, and that falls directly on Gunt and his hand picked new staff.

Tackling issues are ALWAYS the players problems. Coaches should not have to constantly be riding a player on how to tackle. Hell they are in the NFL you should damn sure know how to tackle by this level. If a player misses a tackle it means the coaches HAD HIM IN POSITION to make the play, its the player who then has to actually do his job.

I think it has become worse since teams don't hit at full speed in practice. Teaches the defenders to not be as aggressive and they assume just shouldering the runner will be enough. That is the only aspect of tackling I blame on the coaches.

burt · 11-20-2006, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by GoAway

Gunther did a great job.

A sign of the apocolypse...I agree with GoChiefs! Gun did fine. It was a given that the Raiders would f*** up and self destruct. We played conservatively both ways. Conservatively on D because Brooks is such a good scrambler, and the Raiders would self destruct. Conservatively on O because we needed Trent to shake off the rust, and well, we knew the Raiders would self destruct.

A pretty good effort all around.

jidar · 11-20-2006, 08:39 AM

Look at how ****ing stupid you people are.

You get these perceptions in your head from one or two bad plays and then you can't see the big picture.

For example, we just had this god damned thread about 3rd and longs the other week, someone actually dug up the stats and it turns out we weren't that bad after all. I'd dig the thread back up but I just know that next week you'll ****ing do it again.

As for the Raiders, Brooks is a much better QB than the bum who was backing him up so it's to be expected.

The problems with our D had can be attributed almost ENTIRELY to Brooks. We broke down their plays I don't know how many times but Brooks was able to scramble and make a play. Those were clearly situations where had Brooks not been in there we would have gotten the sack and got the Raiders O off the field, and Oaklands offensive production would have been on par with the bottom dweller numbers they were putting up when Brooks was out.

The fact is we held them to one TD and a couple field goals to seal the win, and we did it with our leading tackler out for the game.

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Crashride We got DANCERS in tampa Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Tampa, FL Casino cash: $10004900	Defense stepped it up in the second half. They missed crucial sacks but didnt give up points. Do that consistanly plus taking the leash off Trent and we have ourselves a contender
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11-20-2006, 02:57 AM	#40
el borracho In Pat We Trust Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Albuquerque, NM Casino cash: $5939148	Brooks isn't very good but at this point in time he is miles ahead of Walters. The Raidurr team we played today was bad but not as bad as they have been with Walters under center. If Walters had played the whole game the Chiefs could have padded their defensive stats. As it is, we take the win.
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11-20-2006, 08:03 AM	#41
boogblaster MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Verdigris Valley Campsite Casino cash: $10004900	Gun calls the plays..he doesnt play on the field ...hes as good as most DCs..13 points isnt that bad....
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11-20-2006, 08:10 AM	#42
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	I fear I must say "feh" to you... No interior push. That is the major problem with our Defense. I was surprised that Gunther did not blitz more. This thread is seriously misguided. xoxo~ Gaz Wonders if Gunther can play DT.
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11-20-2006, 08:39 AM	#45
jidar MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: a Casino cash: $10004900	Look at how **ing stupid you people are. You get these perceptions in your head from one or two bad plays and then you can't see the big picture. For example, we just had this god damned thread about 3rd and longs the other week, someone actually dug up the stats and it turns out we weren't that bad after all. I'd dig the thread back up but I just know that next week you'll **ing do it again. As for the Raiders, Brooks is a much better QB than the bum who was backing him up so it's to be expected. The problems with our D had can be attributed almost ENTIRELY to Brooks. We broke down their plays I don't know how many times but Brooks was able to scramble and make a play. Those were clearly situations where had Brooks not been in there we would have gotten the sack and got the Raiders O off the field, and Oaklands offensive production would have been on par with the bottom dweller numbers they were putting up when Brooks was out. The fact is we held them to one TD and a couple field goals to seal the win, and we did it with our leading tackler out for the game.
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