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ShowtimeSBMVP · 11-09-2012, 04:14 PM

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Ex #Chiefs GM Carl Peterson: “I don’t keep track of what’s wrong (in KC), but it’s a sad situation." LOTS more coming to @KCStar ...

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More Carl Peterson: "I don’t think the cupboard was bare when they came… They had one good year, won the division, then went south." #Chiefs

Excerpt: Pioli and Peterson's first four years with Chiefs
By RANDY COVITZ
The Kansas City Star

Editor's note: Coming Sunday, we take an in-depth look at how the first four years of Scott Pioli’s tenure as general manager of the Chiefs stack up against the first four years of former GM Carl Peterson. Both men enjoyed some highlights, and yes, some lowlights. Here’s an excerpt from what you can read Sunday in its entirety.

In 2009, when Scott Pioli took over as general manager of the Chiefs, he faced the same critical decisions that his predecessor, Carl Peterson, did 20 years earlier.

Hire the right head coach; select a quarterback with a strong and accurate arm; make shrewd picks at the top of the draft; fill holes on the roster via free agency.

Those are the four pillars for building a successful NFL franchise. Make the right decisions, and the club can enjoy long-term stability that produces perennial playoff teams, if not Super Bowl champions. Whiff on those choices, and it will set a franchise back into perpetual rebuilding jobs.

Pioli, who is midway through his fourth season running the club, appears to have struck out on all counts. His first head coach, Todd Haley who had never been a head coach at any level, didn’t make it through his third season, though the Chiefs did win the AFC West in 2010. Haley’s successor, Romeo Crennel, is 3-8 since taking over last December, including a 1-7 mark this year going into Monday night’s game at Pittsburgh.

Pioli’s hand-picked quarterback, Matt Cassel, is the 31st-rated passer in the NFL, has turned the ball over an NFL-worst 18 times, and would be a backup right now had it not been for a concussion to backup-turned-starter Brady Quinn.

Pioli’s drafts have been unproductive, starting with defensive end Tyson Jackson, taken with the third overall pick in 2009, and his free-agent signees have made little impact.

When Peterson was hired by the late Lamar Hunt as president, general manager and chief operating officer in 1989, he hired Marty Schottenheimer, a proven winner at Cleveland, as head coach. Peterson inherited veteran quarterback Steve DeBerg, but for competition in the first year, he 1989 brought in free agent Ron Jaworski, spent a second-round draft choice for Mike Elkins and traded for Steve Pelluer. DeBerg led the Chiefs to three straight winning seasons to the 1990 and 1991 playoffs.

While Peterson’s draft record was spotty at best, he selected with the fourth overall pick in the 1989 draft outside linebacker Derrick Thomas, who would be the centerpiece of a ferocious defense and eventually be inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. And though unfettered free agency would not begin until 1993, he took advantage of the precursor of the system, Plan B free agency, and combed the waiver wire for several major contributors on both sides of the ball.

The differences in the Chiefs of 1989-1992 and the Chiefs of 2009-2012?

The Chiefs went 39-24-1 in Peterson’s first four years, and only a 17-17 tie in the mud at Cleveland in 1989 kept the club from reaching the postseason all four years. And a once-moribund fan base that included fewer than 25,000 season ticket holders in 1988 became 75,000 strong by 1991 and created one of the most menacing home-field advantages in football.

“The general manager presents and acquires the players, but the rest of the story has to be the coaches who develop these guys to do what they want them to do,” said Peterson, who today divides his time between Kansas City and New York. “I don’t keep track of what’s wrong (in Kansas City), but it’s a sad situation.

“As a general manager, you have to have an intimate working relationship with your head coach. My job was to hire the head football coach and give him everything he needed to be successful … That would include his coaching staff, players, facilities and create an environment to win.”

The current Chiefs are 22-34 under Pioli and have spiraled into one of the biggest punchlines in the NFL. They have trailed by at least 17 points in seven of their eight games; lost six games by double digits; became the first team since at least 1929 not to have led a game in regulation through eight games of a season; and, worst of all, have won just three of their last 14 games at Arrowhead Stadium, where fan apathy is starting to set in — just as it did in the dark days of the late 1970s and most of the 1980s.

“I don’t know exactly what happened in the first year before I got here (in 2010),” said Crennel, speaking for Pioli, who chose not to comment for this story. “We got to the playoffs (in 2010), and we weren’t able to repeat it (last) year. And then this year, we’re really struggling.

“The only thing I can do is try to improve the lot that I have right now. We’ve got eight games, and if we can get it turned around in eight games, we can say that there’s a chance that this organization can move forward.”

READ THE FULL STORY SUNDAY ONLINE AT KANSASCITY.COM AND IN THE PRINT EDITION OF THE KANSAS CITY STAR.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/11/09...#storylink=cpy

BWillie · 11-09-2012, 05:21 PM

Remember when I said you would be sorry for firing Carl Peterson?

Hai guise **waves**

KCFalcon59 · 11-09-2012, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Beat the Raiders at home in 1991.

Was at that game. Cold as shit. If I remember correctly Deron Cherry had a great game. 2 ints I believe.

Titty Meat · 11-09-2012, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie007

Remember when I said you would be sorry for firing Carl Peterson?

Hai guise **waves**

Anyone who's sorry for firing Carl is an idiot.

BWillie · 11-09-2012, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

Anyone who's sorry for firing Carl is an idiot.

Carl's years were much better than Pioli's years. Carl put his teams in the proper place to be successful in the playoffs. When you go 13-3 and get a bye, you are doing what you need to do as a GM.

Rasputin · 11-09-2012, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie007

Remember when I said you would be sorry for firing Carl Peterson?

Hai guise **waves**

Not sorry for fireing Carl Peterson altho regret getting Snott Pioli. We were all elated that Carl got kicked to the curb and at the time anyone was going be a God send. We got duped. Do I wish Carl was back hell no. Do I want Snott Pioli fired hell yes.

BWillie · 11-09-2012, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

Not sorry for fireing Carl Peterson altho regret getting Snott Pioli. We were all elated that Carl got kicked to the curb and at the time anyone was going be a God send. We got duped. Do I wish Carl was back hell no. Do I want Snott Pioli fired hell yes.

I wasn't. I like going 10-6 and being good every single year.

Rasputin · 11-09-2012, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie007

I wasn't. I like going 10-6 and being good every single year.

True fan right there.

Not me. I long for a Super Bowl + winning a few of them is even better, not to be greedy but yeah I want to be a Super Bowl champion hoarder.

Pasta Little Brioni · 11-09-2012, 06:20 PM

Both complete and absolute failures.

crossbow · 11-09-2012, 06:42 PM

... Rufus Dawes ...

No Thanks, that was really stupid.

Titty Meat · 11-09-2012, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie007

Carl's years were much better than Pioli's years. Carl put his teams in the proper place to be successful in the playoffs. When you go 13-3 and get a bye, you are doing what you need to do as a GM.

Where were you the last 8 years of Carls career?

Deberg_1990 · 11-09-2012, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Beat the Raiders at home in 1991.

Cool Indy Jones hat Brah......

Crush · 11-09-2012, 06:57 PM

Carl was a ****ing failure. 3 playoff wins in 20 years should not be considered "success."

**hometeam** · 11-09-2012, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crush

Carl was a ****ing failure. 3 playoff wins in 20 years should not be considered "success."

The problem is that is the best we have to compare it too.

Hammock Parties · 11-09-2012, 07:05 PM

Carl is ****ing Bill Polian and Marty is Vince goddamn Lombardi compared to what we've had since.

I long for they days of blessed, blind mediocrity.

Crush · 11-09-2012, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hometeam

The problem is that is the best we have to compare it too.

Indeed. The Hunts have truly ****ed us. Move the team to LA and get it over with.

11-09-2012, 04:14 PM
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In 2009, when Scott Pioli took over as general manager of the Chiefs, he faced the same critical decisions that his predecessor, Carl Peterson, did 20 years earlier. Hire the right head coach; select a quarterback with a strong and accurate arm; make shrewd picks at the top of the draft; fill holes on the roster via free agency. Those are the four pillars for building a successful NFL franchise. Make the right decisions, and the club can enjoy long-term stability that produces perennial playoff teams, if not Super Bowl champions. Whiff on those choices, and it will set a franchise back into perpetual rebuilding jobs. Pioli, who is midway through his fourth season running the club, appears to have struck out on all counts. His first head coach, Todd Haley who had never been a head coach at any level, didn’t make it through his third season, though the Chiefs did win the AFC West in 2010. Haley’s successor, Romeo Crennel, is 3-8 since taking over last December, including a 1-7 mark this year going into Monday night’s game at Pittsburgh. Pioli’s hand-picked quarterback, Matt Cassel, is the 31st-rated passer in the NFL, has turned the ball over an NFL-worst 18 times, and would be a backup right now had it not been for a concussion to backup-turned-starter Brady Quinn. Pioli’s drafts have been unproductive, starting with defensive end Tyson Jackson, taken with the third overall pick in 2009, and his free-agent signees have made little impact. When Peterson was hired by the late Lamar Hunt as president, general manager and chief operating officer in 1989, he hired Marty Schottenheimer, a proven winner at Cleveland, as head coach. Peterson inherited veteran quarterback Steve DeBerg, but for competition in the first year, he 1989 brought in free agent Ron Jaworski, spent a second-round draft choice for Mike Elkins and traded for Steve Pelluer. DeBerg led the Chiefs to three straight winning seasons to the 1990 and 1991 playoffs. While Peterson’s draft record was spotty at best, he selected with the fourth overall pick in the 1989 draft outside linebacker Derrick Thomas, who would be the centerpiece of a ferocious defense and eventually be inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. And though unfettered free agency would not begin until 1993, he took advantage of the precursor of the system, Plan B free agency, and combed the waiver wire for several major contributors on both sides of the ball. The differences in the Chiefs of 1989-1992 and the Chiefs of 2009-2012? The Chiefs went 39-24-1 in Peterson’s first four years, and only a 17-17 tie in the mud at Cleveland in 1989 kept the club from reaching the postseason all four years. And a once-moribund fan base that included fewer than 25,000 season ticket holders in 1988 became 75,000 strong by 1991 and created one of the most menacing home-field advantages in football. “The general manager presents and acquires the players, but the rest of the story has to be the coaches who develop these guys to do what they want them to do,” said Peterson, who today divides his time between Kansas City and New York. “I don’t keep track of what’s wrong (in Kansas City), but it’s a sad situation. “As a general manager, you have to have an intimate working relationship with your head coach. My job was to hire the head football coach and give him everything he needed to be successful … That would include his coaching staff, players, facilities and create an environment to win.” The current Chiefs are 22-34 under Pioli and have spiraled into one of the biggest punchlines in the NFL. They have trailed by at least 17 points in seven of their eight games; lost six games by double digits; became the first team since at least 1929 not to have led a game in regulation through eight games of a season; and, worst of all, have won just three of their last 14 games at Arrowhead Stadium, where fan apathy is starting to set in — just as it did in the dark days of the late 1970s and most of the 1980s. “I don’t know exactly what happened in the first year before I got here (in 2010),” said Crennel, speaking for Pioli, who chose not to comment for this story. “We got to the playoffs (in 2010), and we weren’t able to repeat it (last) year. And then this year, we’re really struggling. “The only thing I can do is try to improve the lot that I have right now. We’ve got eight games, and if we can get it turned around in eight games, we can say that there’s a chance that this organization can move forward.” READ THE FULL STORY SUNDAY ONLINE AT KANSASCITY.COM AND IN THE PRINT EDITION OF THE KANSAS CITY STAR. Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/11/09...#storylink=cpy
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