I want LJ gone NOW ... (found on the KCSTAR board) - Page 3

royr17 · 12-16-2004, 03:33 PM

Like I said i found this on the star and I thought it be interesting to see what some people have to say on this matter :

I have to agree that I Larry Johnson has an undeniable amount of talent. How much that is, no one really knows... But I do know this... He is bad for the Chiefs. Larry Johnson is bad for this team, PERIOD. This morning on a radio interview he was asked if he would rather win a Superbowl or be inducted into the Hall of Fame. His answer? "Definately the Hall of Fame." Later on today when he was talking to the media he was asked about Jake Plummer's gesture to the fan in Denver and he replied that he does it all the time on the road. He pokes fun at the opposing fans and that it doesn't matter because he's "not starting."
I'm telling you guys.. LJ is bad for this team. He's not a team player and everything he does he bases on HIM not playing or HIM getting this or that. He's not a team guy. The Chiefs would be best suited by letting LJ run the ball, and his mouth, as it were, run up a lot of stats and then trade his a$s in the off-season. He's not a team player... I'd rather see the Chiefs win a Superbowl then watch a Hall of Fame running back on a 6-10 team.

whoman69 · 12-16-2004, 09:32 PM

Let's go to a hypothetical. Do you think Dan Marino would make this trade, win SB XIX then blow his knee out in pre-season '85 and never play again. No way. If LJ is going to make the HOF one day, it won't be on teams that go 6-10 the whole time.

If you want to blow off LJ, name one back that CP has drafted that has rushed for 1000 yards in a season. Do you know what the record for most rushing yards by a player drafted by CP while in a Chiefs uniform? Greg Hill 2436 yards in 4 seasons followed by Donnell Bennett 1902 yards in 7 seasons.

So tell me again, if we get rid of LJ, how you have faith we can find someone else as good?

Frankie · 12-16-2004, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

If only any player on the defense had half the talent LJ does.

Oh, Fujita, Hicks, Dalton, Woods, Wesley, they've all had 2 game streaks of good play in their time. The jury is still out on LJ. If those radio comments are true then I would worry about his attitude. Trading him away for good return would be a great idea then.

Randallflagg · 12-16-2004, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

Oh, Fujita, Hicks, Dalton, Woods, Wesley, they've all had 2 game streaks of good play in their time. The jury is still out on LJ. If those radio comments are true then I would worry about his attitude. Trading him away for good return would be a great idea then.

It's true..I heard the comments on the radio (810) during the afternoon show. IMO a cancer in the locker room and should be sent packing. again, IMO

beer bacon · 12-16-2004, 10:09 PM

Also, has anyone noticed how when LJ scores a TD he just hands the ball off to the ref

?!?! He acts like he is too good to showboat a little bit

Wow, what a ****ing primadonna who won't even do the worm or jump into the crowd

We need to trade this cancer now before our whole team stops doing dance moves when they score TDs!!!!! FUG LEON!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Taco John · 12-16-2004, 10:10 PM

These charges are preposterous.

**the Talking Can** · 12-16-2004, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by royr17

Like I said i found this on the star and I thought it be interesting to see what some people have to say on this matter :

I have to agree that I Larry Johnson has an undeniable amount of talent. How much that is, no one really knows... But I do know this... He is bad for the Chiefs. Larry Johnson is bad for this team, PERIOD. This morning on a radio interview he was asked if he would rather win a Superbowl or be inducted into the Hall of Fame. His answer? "Definately the Hall of Fame." Later on today when he was talking to the media he was asked about Jake Plummer's gesture to the fan in Denver and he replied that he does it all the time on the road. He pokes fun at the opposing fans and that it doesn't matter because he's "not starting."
I'm telling you guys.. LJ is bad for this team. He's not a team player and everything he does he bases on HIM not playing or HIM getting this or that. He's not a team guy. The Chiefs would be best suited by letting LJ run the ball, and his mouth, as it were, run up a lot of stats and then trade his a$s in the off-season. He's not a team player... I'd rather see the Chiefs win a Superbowl then watch a Hall of Fame running back on a 6-10 team.

looks like Gretz was right about sports talk radio.....I heard the interview amd knew there would be suckers looking for a reason to be "outraged"...I mean, we suck right now, so people have nothing else to worry about

the last sentence is hilarious...we ARE a 6-10 team and we have a Hall of Fame back (Priest)

penchief · 12-17-2004, 12:18 AM

beer baron is right to point out how he acts when he scores a touchdown. It's refreshing to see a young guy that doesn't have to draw attention to himself that way. I wish he would use better judgment when he talks to the media, though.

On the other hand he is obviously supremely confident in his ability. Which when you think about it, he's a guy that probably has as much talent as anyone on our offense and he knows it. Yet think about how it must have stung not even being on the active roster for three-fourths of his rookie year.

He's was feeling pretty rotten then and now he's feeling pretty good because he's proving that he was right and Vermeil was wrong. You gotta wonder why Vermeil and Saunders didn't use this guy sooner, even with Priest in the game.

I'm not so sure that isn't where LJ is coming from when he talks about being a first rounder and having first round talent. He clearly has first-round talent yet he found himself inactive week after week. I don't think it has anything to do with working hard. He had a reputation for working hard in college. He's a coaches son so I don't think he's a slacker. I think he just might be saying that he wasn't given the chance that most first rounders are afforded which is an opportunity to make the impact that most teams hope a first rounder will make.

It just seems to me that there is more to this picture than meets the eye.

Logical · 12-17-2004, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by penchief

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It just seems to me that there is more to this picture than meets the eye.

There is LJ is behind a runningback that has proven he has Hall of Fame talent. He is where he is at backing him up until Priest decides to retire. It really is that simple.

**alanm** · 12-17-2004, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Fairplay

We are watching a hall of fame RB by the name of Holmes on a 6-10 team. And who says by trading off LJ we would go to the Superbowl? That statement is implying that.

Holmes certainly is a HOF caliber type back. But he hasn't played long enough. He play 2-3 more years and racks up the yardage and TD's like he has he will be. Same thing with Terrell Davis. He is HOF material too. But his cronic knee problems doomed him. The only back I can think of who was inducted after a short career is Gale Sayers. But that guy was phenominal.

philfree · 12-17-2004, 01:37 AM

Our O line knocked holes wide open for LJ

Does that say anything about how they feel about LJ? I'm not saying it does but i'd be hard pressed to say that it doesn't. With our record if he was really a jerk those holes might not be there. IMO were're fortunate to have two/three kick-A RBs. Of course we are unfortunate to have no CBs

PhilFree

Taco John · 12-17-2004, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

we have a Hall of Fame back (Priest)

Based on what?

David. · 12-17-2004, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Taco John

Based on what?

td records? Completely dominating a league? I donno.

philfree · 12-17-2004, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Taco John

Based on what?

A single season TD record is probably enough if you have a bunch of chop blockin thugs on your team and some stump trained Donkey on your helmet.

PhilFree

**the Talking Can** · 12-17-2004, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Taco John

Based on what?

based on the fact he's better than Davis, and didn't ride Elways back ot glory....

you're an easy catch

Alphaman · 12-17-2004, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by CanadaKC

We have to ask ourselves one serious question heading into the draft...
is it better to keep LJ?...or to trade him away. While I believe he's quite the talent and coming along....let's not forget he was drafted for the SOLE purpose of being insurance for Priest had his hip not recovered.
That's all under the bridge now.
Now, there's three reasons we should let him go as far as I can see.
First, no player, especially a 1st rounder, likes being deemed "insurance" for another player. That's just not a healthy way to come into an organization. He's pouted ever since and is only getting playing time because Priest is hurt and the season is over. Again, not the situation
LJ wants.
Secondly, he'll never give this team 100 per cent after the "diaper" comment by Vermeil. He might as well paste that label on his forehead as long as he's facing his teammates in the locker room. The only reason he's playing now, and so well...is to audition for other teams.
It's like a shortened contract year for LJ.
And last....the Chiefs, including the LJ pick, have made some terrible mistakes in the draft over the last couple of years. The defense is awful...and has been for years. We give up an average of 270 yards per game through the air alone. Tweener, reaches, and projects won't cut it anymore. I feel Carl avoids drafting a stud simply because he knows he's going to have to shell out some big dough for an impact player. The whole league and all Chief fans will be watching in April with extreme scrutiny. He has to score an A this time around.
Trading LJ for the highest value will be a move we can all live with, IMO.
We may have to parlay LJ and our 1st rounder for a higher pick to snag Rolle or Derrick Johnson....but so be it. The time has come to make a bold move, and LJ is part of the equation. It's like the Mariners picking up Beltre from the Dodgers...they just added 48 homers to their last place home run total from last season. We draft Derrick Johnson...we can add 10 more tackles at or behind the line of scrimmage. We add Rolle...there's possibly 8-10 TD's not scored against us next season.
Carl is on the clock....and we are all watching....especially what he gets for LJ...because like it or not...it HAS to happen.

Some fans cannot except good fortune.

1) LJ was not a bad pick and that is just now being proven. When that draft came along, the Chiefs had already replaced 5 starters on the defense. They went into the draft needing a pass rushing DE and RB because Holmes was coming off injury and Blaylock had shown nothing. There was a run on DEs in that draft and 5 or 6 went before the Chiefs pick. Instead of reaching for the 7th best DE in the draft, they traded down. They filled a definite need by taking the best RB in that draft (McGahee was hurt). Name a defensive player from that draft that we had a shot at that would be helping right now.

2) Priest has about 2 years left. LJ has 5 more years on his contract. He'll get alot of carries over the next 2 years and be the feature back after that.

12-16-2004, 03:33 PM
royr17 MVP Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lovin my kids Casino cash: $728676	I want LJ gone NOW ... (found on the KCSTAR board) Like I said i found this on the star and I thought it be interesting to see what some people have to say on this matter : I have to agree that I Larry Johnson has an undeniable amount of talent. How much that is, no one really knows... But I do know this... He is bad for the Chiefs. Larry Johnson is bad for this team, PERIOD. This morning on a radio interview he was asked if he would rather win a Superbowl or be inducted into the Hall of Fame. His answer? "Definately the Hall of Fame." Later on today when he was talking to the media he was asked about Jake Plummer's gesture to the fan in Denver and he replied that he does it all the time on the road. He pokes fun at the opposing fans and that it doesn't matter because he's "not starting." I'm telling you guys.. LJ is bad for this team. He's not a team player and everything he does he bases on HIM not playing or HIM getting this or that. He's not a team guy. The Chiefs would be best suited by letting LJ run the ball, and his mouth, as it were, run up a lot of stats and then trade his a$s in the off-season. He's not a team player... I'd rather see the Chiefs win a Superbowl then watch a Hall of Fame running back on a 6-10 team.
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12-16-2004, 10:09 PM	#34
beer bacon WHAT Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $10019545	Also, has anyone noticed how when LJ scores a TD he just hands the ball off to the ref ?!?! He acts like he is too good to showboat a little bit Wow, what a ****ing primadonna who won't even do the worm or jump into the crowd We need to trade this cancer now before our whole team stops doing dance moves when they score TDs!!!!! FUG LEON!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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12-17-2004, 12:18 AM	#37
penchief MVP Join Date: Feb 2003 Casino cash: $6305286	beer baron is right to point out how he acts when he scores a touchdown. It's refreshing to see a young guy that doesn't have to draw attention to himself that way. I wish he would use better judgment when he talks to the media, though. On the other hand he is obviously supremely confident in his ability. Which when you think about it, he's a guy that probably has as much talent as anyone on our offense and he knows it. Yet think about how it must have stung not even being on the active roster for three-fourths of his rookie year. He's was feeling pretty rotten then and now he's feeling pretty good because he's proving that he was right and Vermeil was wrong. You gotta wonder why Vermeil and Saunders didn't use this guy sooner, even with Priest in the game. I'm not so sure that isn't where LJ is coming from when he talks about being a first rounder and having first round talent. He clearly has first-round talent yet he found himself inactive week after week. I don't think it has anything to do with working hard. He had a reputation for working hard in college. He's a coaches son so I don't think he's a slacker. I think he just might be saying that he wasn't given the chance that most first rounders are afforded which is an opportunity to make the impact that most teams hope a first rounder will make. It just seems to me that there is more to this picture than meets the eye.
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philfree Indian Twitter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Free Agency Casino cash: $166198	Our O line knocked holes wide open for LJ Does that say anything about how they feel about LJ? I'm not saying it does but i'd be hard pressed to say that it doesn't. With our record if he was really a jerk those holes might not be there. IMO were're fortunate to have two/three kick-A RBs. Of course we are unfortunate to have no CBs PhilFree __________________ [/SIGPIC]
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