Grading Carl Peterson's offseason moves.... - Page 3

CHIEF4EVER · 03-09-2005, 10:38 AM

[rant]I just got back from the road and finally have a few days off to get my Planet fix. However, I have been closely following the personnel moves (non moves) on Sirius NFL channel. I grade Peterson's performance as follows:

1) Not signing Samari Rolle. F-

We had him here and nobody in this world can tell me they believe the BS reason CP gave as to why they didn't sign him. "Narrowing of the Spine"? Just how friggin stupid does Peterson think we are? When I heard that, the Peterson Screwed-the-Pooch O Meter went off the fuggin scale.

2) Signing Kendrell Bell. C (at best).

We don't sign a perfectly healthy top notch corner who is rarely injured if at all; but instead sign a LB who is top notch WHEN HEALTHY. The same one who missed all but 3 games last year because HE WAS INJURED. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely LOVE the signing. It was the sheer illogic of it that makes me want to take a chain saw to Peterson's car. Not to mention, why sign a player that has a history of injury in all but his rookie year over one (Ed Hartwell) who is young and healthy to a long term deal?

3) Not signing Fred Smoot. F-

After NOT signing Rolle, he fuggs this up too. If we had gotten Bell and Smoot I would have been exstatic. But, we have Bell and nothing else at this point. Granted, the new rules make a shutdown corner an anachronism but we still play in a Division with the likes of Lelie, Moss, etc.... Can anyone confidently say that Crispy, Toasty or McNugget can cover Moss for even a few seconds? Corner is still a high priority. Nice job Carl.

Summary: Final grade thus far...D-

Our offense isn't getting any younger and we have 1 or maybe 2 runs at the big dance left before the offense has to be retooled. I had hoped CP and Co would go all out for a run NOW by getting as many (within financial boundaries) defensive upgrades as possible. I have been in CP's corner for many years now but this offseason is making me rethink that position. If the remaining offseason moves (FA and draft) don't give us a middle of the rod defense AT THE VERY LEAST, I am all for dragging our GM through the streets behind his own SUV by his entrails. Mr Peterson, if you want to mess up a team please go elsewhere and do so. [/rant]

shakesthecat · 03-09-2005, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by CHIEF4EVER

Whatever you say sport. You are entitled to your opinion just as I am.

But the Chiefs medical staff isn't?

They were right about Green, Roaf, and Holmes, but they're just making this up to cover Carl's ass? Right.

I think I'll trust their opinion over a bunch of message board posters with an axe to grind.

jspchief · 03-09-2005, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by rufusmaqe

On the injury report over 50% of the time.

It has nothing to do with his "condition". He IS injury prone and your comments are laughable.

Jeff Fisher is notorious for his large, overblown injury reports. Look no further the "toughest QB in the league" and his constant reisdence on the injury report.

Not saying that proves or disproves anything, just saying that it should be taken with a grain of salt.

Gaz · 03-09-2005, 11:52 AM

Let me be clear: I am not throwing the “injury-prone” rock at Rolle.

I am, however, debunking the clearly false “perfectly healthy” nonsense.

And I think the "top-notch" bit was off-base as well.

xoxo~
Gaz
Precise in his targeting.

CHIEF4EVER · 03-09-2005, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaz

Here is Rolle’s injury resumé:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo.../injuries.html

Clearly, “perfectly healthy” is not accurate.

xoxo~
Gaz
Perfectly correct.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo.../injuries.html

Perhaps we shouldn't have gone after Roaf either.........<---Sarcasm

htismaqe · 03-09-2005, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by CHIEF4EVER

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo.../injuries.html

Perhaps we shouldn't have gone after Roaf either.........<---Sarcasm

Don't try and change the argument.

You called out the FO for not signing a "perfectly healthy" CB. That is obviously not a true statement, so now you're backpedaling.

Gaz · 03-09-2005, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by CHIEF4EVER

...Perhaps we shouldn't have gone after Roaf either...

Nobody claimed Roaf was “perfectly healthy” did they?

xoxo~
Gaz
Thinks that bit of overzealous hyperbole should be withdrawn.

CHIEF4EVER · 03-09-2005, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by shakesthecat

But the Chiefs medical staff isn't?

They were right about Green, Roaf, and Holmes, but they're just making this up to cover Carl's ass? Right.

I think I'll trust their opinion over a bunch of message board posters with an axe to grind.

Shakes, I don't have the proverbial "axe to grind". I have supported CP over the years but I don't agree with this decision. If anything, I have been most Homeristic.

Chief Henry · 03-09-2005, 11:55 AM

How about throwing in last seasons off season moves too........Carl, What was the score of the New Orleans Saints game?

D+ on players from last season....
D so far on this season...

I need to see MUCH MORE. Yes I'm Pizzed off.

CHIEF4EVER · 03-09-2005, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by rufusmaqe

Don't try and change the argument.

You called out the FO for not signing a "perfectly healthy" CB. That is obviously not a true statement, so now you're backpedaling.

I am NOT backpedaling. YOU said he was injured 50% of the time which is patent BS. I may have been a bit overzealous regarding the use of the term "perfectly healthy" and I will withdraw that bit of hyperbole. Insert "healthy MOST of the time but plays injured". Feel better?

CHIEF4EVER · 03-09-2005, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaz

Nobody claimed Roaf was “perfectly healthy” did they?

xoxo~
Gaz
Thinks that bit of overzealous hyperbole should be withdrawn.

Withdrawn. See response to Rufusmacque for revised qualification.

Gaz · 03-09-2005, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CHIEF4EVER

Withdrawn. See response to Rufusmacque for revised qualification.

Okay. We’ll just let the “top notch” thing slide…

So, are you revising your grade? Since the “what should have happened” side of your value equation has been reduced, the “what actually happened” side must also be reduced by an equal amount.

It is a fundamental mathematical law.
I am not making this up.
Look it up.

xoxo~
Gaz
Eagerly awaits Revision A.

htismaqe · 03-09-2005, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CHIEF4EVER

I am NOT backpedaling. YOU said he was injured 50% of the time which is patent BS. I may have been a bit overzealous regarding the use of the term "perfectly healthy" and I will withdraw that bit of hyperbole. Insert "healthy MOST of the time but plays injured". Feel better?

Obviously he played through injuries. That doesn't mean he wasn't injured.

CHIEF4EVER · 03-09-2005, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaz

Okay. We’ll just let the “top notch” thing slide…

So, are you revising your grade? Since the “what should have happened” side of your value equation has been reduced, the “what actually happened” side must also be reduced by an equal amount.

It is a fundamental mathematical law.
I am not making this up.
Look it up.

xoxo~
Gaz
Eagerly awaits Revision A.

Classic Gaz. I love it.

Logical · 03-09-2005, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaz

I think I will wait until Free Agency is over [that would be in late July, by the way] before I presume to issue a grade.

I tend to wait until I have some evidence before I slap down a judgment.

Out of fashion, I know, but what can you do?

xoxo~
Gaz
Funny that way.

Gaz while technically true, who have we picked up after the draft in past offseasons that made a significant difference??

Gaz · 03-09-2005, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

Gaz while technically true, who have we picked up after the draft in past offseasons that made a significant difference??

I don’t know.

How many times has our Defense been so wretchedly bad that the Chiefs publicly proclaimed that we need new LBs & CBs?

The thing is, FA lasts until July 22nd. Until that time, we cannot accurately or fairly judge any team’s FA moves.

That, of course, assumes that we have a passing interest in accuracy or fairness.

xoxo~
Gaz
Not sure that applies to the Planet.

03-09-2005, 10:38 AM
CHIEF4EVER Just a man in the 'ghan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Jalalabad, Afghanistan Casino cash: $10004900	Grading Carl Peterson's offseason moves.... [rant]I just got back from the road and finally have a few days off to get my Planet fix. However, I have been closely following the personnel moves (non moves) on Sirius NFL channel. I grade Peterson's performance as follows: 1) Not signing Samari Rolle. F- We had him here and nobody in this world can tell me they believe the BS reason CP gave as to why they didn't sign him. "Narrowing of the Spine"? Just how friggin stupid does Peterson think we are? When I heard that, the Peterson Screwed-the-Pooch O Meter went off the fuggin scale. 2) Signing Kendrell Bell. C (at best). We don't sign a perfectly healthy top notch corner who is rarely injured if at all; but instead sign a LB who is top notch WHEN HEALTHY. The same one who missed all but 3 games last year because HE WAS INJURED. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely LOVE the signing. It was the sheer illogic of it that makes me want to take a chain saw to Peterson's car. Not to mention, why sign a player that has a history of injury in all but his rookie year over one (Ed Hartwell) who is young and healthy to a long term deal? 3) Not signing Fred Smoot. F- After NOT signing Rolle, he fuggs this up too. If we had gotten Bell and Smoot I would have been exstatic. But, we have Bell and nothing else at this point. Granted, the new rules make a shutdown corner an anachronism but we still play in a Division with the likes of Lelie, Moss, etc.... Can anyone confidently say that Crispy, Toasty or McNugget can cover Moss for even a few seconds? Corner is still a high priority. Nice job Carl. Summary: Final grade thus far...D- Our offense isn't getting any younger and we have 1 or maybe 2 runs at the big dance left before the offense has to be retooled. I had hoped CP and Co would go all out for a run NOW by getting as many (within financial boundaries) defensive upgrades as possible. I have been in CP's corner for many years now but this offseason is making me rethink that position. If the remaining offseason moves (FA and draft) don't give us a middle of the rod defense AT THE VERY LEAST, I am all for dragging our GM through the streets behind his own SUV by his entrails. Mr Peterson, if you want to mess up a team please go elsewhere and do so. [/rant]
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03-09-2005, 11:52 AM	#33
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	A follow-up disclaimer... Let me be clear: I am not throwing the “injury-prone” rock at Rolle. I am, however, debunking the clearly false “perfectly healthy” nonsense. And I think the "top-notch" bit was off-base as well. xoxo~ Gaz Precise in his targeting.
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03-09-2005, 11:55 AM	#38
Chief Henry MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: IOWA Casino cash: $10005088	How about throwing in last seasons off season moves too........Carl, What was the score of the New Orleans Saints game? D+ on players from last season.... D so far on this season... I need to see MUCH MORE. Yes I'm Pizzed off. __________________ Patrick Mahomes...The only QB to ever play in the NFL with at least 5,000 passing yards in a single season and 5,000 passing yards in a single college season.
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