So give me your Royals prediction for this year... - Page 3

Deberg_1990 · 04-03-2005, 11:33 AM

With the first game tommorow, give me your best guess at what their record will be.

Ill say 70-92 and thats being optismistic.

Spicy McHaggis · 04-03-2005, 04:06 PM

Ken Rosenthal just said the Royals are a 100 loss team waiting to happen. Things are bad when Detroit is garnering more support than you. That said I'm still going to sport the powder blue all this season like I have every season. I just wish my damn St. Louis neighbors would shut the hell up.

Archie Bunker · 04-03-2005, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Spicy McHaggis

Ken Rosenthal just said the Royals are a 100 loss team waiting to happen. Things are bad when Detroit is garnering more support than you. That said I'm still going to sport the powder blue all this season like I have every season. I just wish my damn St. Louis neighbors would shut the hell up.

Try be Royals fan in Springfield people can't phathom not being a Cardinals fan. The minor league team has made it worse. Oh well I am looking forward to sporting my Royals cap and St. Louis sucks t-shirt when Wichita comes town.

Archie Bunker · 04-03-2005, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

If Glass spent a ton of money and was able to pack the house for all 81 games including SRO tickets..... he would still lose money. Compared to escalating player salaries and TV revenue, ticket sales are almost irrelevant.

If the Yankees didnt have their bloated Television network revenues, their payroll wouldnt be much higher than the Royals, the higher New York costs and prices would basically cancel out the higher ticket revenue.

Unfortunately, the Kansas City area simply does not contain enough television sets to ever attract the kind of TV revenue wed need to compete year after year, and that will never really change without meaningful revenue sharing.

NFL fans are spoiled rotten, imagine how Kansas City or even Green Bay would do without one massive TV contract negotiated with the NFL (instead of every man for himself in MLB) with almost complete revenue sharing. The Chiefs and Packers would suck year after year as well, with a very rare lightning-in-a-bottle year before going back to sucking again. Hell, if we ever got substantial revenue sharing, we really wouldnt need a salary cap, that would just take care of itself with the smaller teams able to spend more and the higher teams able to spend less.

The sooner KC fans stop bitching at Glass and get behind him for the next CBA, the sooner we could dream about meaningful revenue sharing. I would accept a 2-year strike if it means we no longer have an excuse to blame anyone else for a losing baseball team at the end of it.

I understand what you are saying but I see the Twins, Reds, A's, Padres, Giants, St Louis and other small market teams with REAL payrolls. I know it is not my money but Glass knew what he was getting into when he bought the team. All I am saying is that if Glass wants to win and keep his players he could. He could probably loose money every year and not even blink. It is not like it is his only business venture. If you buy a sports team to make money you are probably in the wrong business. Knowing that Grienke, Buck, etc will be gone in 5 yrs no matter is nothing to get excited about.

Baseball is messed up and I hope to live to see the day that baseball has a similar system as the NFL. I am sure I will see the Royals in Portland before that happens though.

Braincase · 04-03-2005, 04:28 PM

98 losses.

**alnorth** · 04-03-2005, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Archie Bunker

I understand what you are saying but I see the Twins, Reds, A's, Padres, Giants, St Louis and other small market teams with REAL payrolls. I know it is not my money but Glass knew what he was getting into when he bought the team. All I am saying is that if Glass wants to win and keep his players he could. He could probably loose money every year and not even blink. It is not like it is his only business venture. If you buy a sports team to make money you are probably in the wrong business. Knowing that Grienke, Buck, etc will be gone in 5 yrs no matter is nothing to get excited about.

Baseball is messed up and I hope to live to see the day that baseball has a similar system as the NFL. I am sure I will see the Royals in Portland before that happens though.

Well I'm glad to see your not totally blind to reality. As for some of the other small market teams, there are some "real" small market teams (KC, Twinkies), and some teams in populated areas that cry about being small market. (Cleveland? Oakland? Pittsburgh? Are you freaking kidding me?)

As far as Glass goes, well he made it clear from Day 1 that he didnt intend to gain any money, but he wouldnt lose money in the long run either. (Though he did say hed be willing to lose a few million in a big year if it meant we had a chance to win something).

From the fan's point of view, its not as good as maybe having an internet Billionaire who sees the Royals as a big playtoy and couldnt care less about throwing away millions a year, but when it came time to buy the team, we didnt have any credible buyers but Glass. Its either him or KC relocates. So, we have what we have, both in our cruel demographic realities, and an owner who doesnt want to operate a big charity, so we're left with backing him for the next CBA. (and hoping we can draft and develop talent as intelligently as the Twins, and win once in a while.) We are lucky enough to be in a division with only 1 big market that is pathetically underperforming to its potential.

Spicy McHaggis · 04-03-2005, 04:40 PM

I think the toughest thing to swallow is the fact that year after year we as fans have to watch our talent leave. I'll always love the Royals but when it comes down to it the true small market teams are only a little above being a farm system. I guess I'll get my Greinke jersey now so at least I can get a few years out of it before it joins Damon and Dye in the back of the closet.

Archie Bunker · 04-03-2005, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Spicy McHaggis

I think the toughest thing to swallow is the fact that year after year we as fans have to watch our talent leave. I'll always love the Royals but when it comes down to it the true small market teams are only a little above being a farm system. I guess I'll get my Greinke jersey now so at least I can get a few years out of it before it joins Damon and Dye in the back of the closet.

Exactly. You have to accept that your favorite players will be gone soon. In an article Baird said that if you buy a Buck t-shirt you will be able to wear it for the life of the t-shirt. Then he basically said that the life of the t-shirt will be 5 yrs since Buck will be gone around that time.

That is F'd up.

Constent rebuild is the only way teams like the Royals can make it. The A's and Twins are great at this; the Royals and Pirates are not. I think Baird is getter better getting good young talent and at drafting I hope I am right.

beavis · 04-03-2005, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Archie Bunker

I understand what you are saying but I see the Twins, Reds, A's, Padres, Giants, St Louis and other small market teams with REAL payrolls.

These are last years figures:

9. San Francisco 82,019,166
10. St. Louis 81,008,517
16. San Diego 63,689,503
18. Oakland 59,825,167
19. Minnesota 53,585,000
23. Kansas City 47,609,000
25. Cincinnati 42,722,858

That argument doesn't hold up. I'm not sure why you included San Franscisco, which is a substantially larger market than KC (actually all of them are) but none of the others you mention have 4 times the payroll of the Royals like the Yankees or Red Sox. Not to mention, 3 of those teams have built new stadiums recently.

How many players did those teams lose this year anyway? I'm not an A's fan, but it really pissed me off that they had to breakup Zito/Mulder/Hudson, cause I know what it's like.

Baseball won't be fixed until Steinbrenner decides to stop being a prick and realize that he's killing his own business.

Hammock Parties · 04-03-2005, 05:32 PM

All I know is you will lose your 3-game road trip starting May 24.

**HemiEd** · 04-03-2005, 05:35 PM

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tk13 · 04-03-2005, 06:01 PM

Did anybody actually watch the game today? I've been cautiously optimistic all spring because I'm not quite sure what we'll look like, but man, I have to say I was pretty impressed. We swept a two game series with the Astros in Minute Maid Park, yesterday beating Roger Clemens 3-0, and today Denny Bautista was lighting it up in getting a win. Pitched 5 2/3 innings, no runs, only 3 hits, 5 K... against Houston's "A" lineup. He is just nasty, you watch him pitch and wonder what Baltimore was thinking giving him up. I think his ceiling for potential may be higher than Greinke's.

Pickering also had two homers the last two days including one off Clemens. Berroa was 3-3 with a homer today. Teahen looks great, he may be better than Randa already. He had an RBI double and had a sterling defensive play today. I never realized he had such a cannon for an arm, he can really wing it across the diamond. I'm sure he'll make some errors adjusting to the big leagues but he can really flash some leather over there at third. After winning 3-0 yesterday, it was 9-0 today before the minor league subs came in and the Astros got some runs on the board. Our "A" team dominated the Astros "A" team pretty much for two days, definitely a good confidence builder heading into the season. I think this could be the best pitching team we've had in years, I think they'll be better than the 2003 team in that regard. Hopefully they'll string some hits together and score enough runs to win some games. It seemed like we had a really good approach at the plate today, taking pitches, working counts, making the pitcher work, and then punishing the pitcher when he finally made a mistake. If they don't panic when the lights come on, and play smart fundamental baseball like they showed they could play the last 8-10 days of Spring Training, it might not be a playoff team but this team will be pretty enjoyable to watch.

Spicy McHaggis · 04-03-2005, 06:03 PM

I listened to it and I was impressed too. Especially with Angel, hopefully last year was just the soph. slump.

Sure-Oz · 04-03-2005, 06:05 PM

They are choosing agood time to get hot, we need like an 9 game win streak like 2003 so we can be just under .500 to finish the season, Go Royals!! I just hope the aging vets do well enough to be traded for something good, im anxtious to see what Dejesus, Teahan and Gotay can bring as well as our pitching that we haven't seen together in awhile, im excited.

mcan · 04-03-2005, 06:05 PM

We could probably be getting a push for .500 this year, which would probably be good enough to win the division. What a sad division this is...

tk13 · 04-03-2005, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Spicy McHaggis

I listened to it and I was impressed too. Especially with Angel, hopefully last year was just the soph. slump.

Yeah, I don't know... I mean I was excited for tomorrow to get here but I got to watch the game today on the Direct TV at my dad's house, and now I'm pumped. I've never really gotten excited over an exhibition game, but I have to admit when Teahen made that great play on the rocket grounder, snagged it, got up, and fired a perfect rocket across the diamond just in time to rob the the runner of a base hit, I yelled "Yes!"...

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Spicy McHaggis Keep 'er Movin' Join Date: Sep 2004 Casino cash: $9905359	I think the toughest thing to swallow is the fact that year after year we as fans have to watch our talent leave. I'll always love the Royals but when it comes down to it the true small market teams are only a little above being a farm system. I guess I'll get my Greinke jersey now so at least I can get a few years out of it before it joins Damon and Dye in the back of the closet. __________________ “We want players who are big, strong, smart, fast, tough and disciplined,” Pioli said, finally bringing an end to the era of Chiefs executives who searched desperately for players who are small, weak, stupid, slow, fragile and unruly.
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tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1512500	Did anybody actually watch the game today? I've been cautiously optimistic all spring because I'm not quite sure what we'll look like, but man, I have to say I was pretty impressed. We swept a two game series with the Astros in Minute Maid Park, yesterday beating Roger Clemens 3-0, and today Denny Bautista was lighting it up in getting a win. Pitched 5 2/3 innings, no runs, only 3 hits, 5 K... against Houston's "A" lineup. He is just nasty, you watch him pitch and wonder what Baltimore was thinking giving him up. I think his ceiling for potential may be higher than Greinke's. Pickering also had two homers the last two days including one off Clemens. Berroa was 3-3 with a homer today. Teahen looks great, he may be better than Randa already. He had an RBI double and had a sterling defensive play today. I never realized he had such a cannon for an arm, he can really wing it across the diamond. I'm sure he'll make some errors adjusting to the big leagues but he can really flash some leather over there at third. After winning 3-0 yesterday, it was 9-0 today before the minor league subs came in and the Astros got some runs on the board. Our "A" team dominated the Astros "A" team pretty much for two days, definitely a good confidence builder heading into the season. I think this could be the best pitching team we've had in years, I think they'll be better than the 2003 team in that regard. Hopefully they'll string some hits together and score enough runs to win some games. It seemed like we had a really good approach at the plate today, taking pitches, working counts, making the pitcher work, and then punishing the pitcher when he finally made a mistake. If they don't panic when the lights come on, and play smart fundamental baseball like they showed they could play the last 8-10 days of Spring Training, it might not be a playoff team but this team will be pretty enjoyable to watch.
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Spicy McHaggis Keep 'er Movin' Join Date: Sep 2004 Casino cash: $9905359	I listened to it and I was impressed too. Especially with Angel, hopefully last year was just the soph. slump. __________________ “We want players who are big, strong, smart, fast, tough and disciplined,” Pioli said, finally bringing an end to the era of Chiefs executives who searched desperately for players who are small, weak, stupid, slow, fragile and unruly.
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