You can't give LJ just 9 carries game! LJ can rush for 2000 yards, Priest can't! - Page 3

chiefsfan1963 · 09-12-2005, 02:14 PM

Priest 22 carries, 85 yds
LJ 9 carries, 110 yds

You have to wonder what would happen if LJ got the 22 carries going forward!

I'm sorry but you have to give the ball to LJ most of the time.

Wallcrawler · 09-12-2005, 02:53 PM

Right, so lets just BENCH the single season touchdown record holder and the guy that has been the heart and soul of the Chiefs offense for the entire span of their offensive dominance.

GET A F'IN GRIP.

Holmes still has it. He just showed it. He's consistent, hes done it all, and he's the biggest security blanket the Chiefs have right now. He doesnt have a lot of time left, so you keep him on the field.

The time is rapidly approaching when we wont have Priest Holmes anymore, and then Johnson will be the guy and all you statfreaks can get out your boxes of kleenex and go to town.

Winning is what matters, not your statline.

Making defenses gameplan for both Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson is just one more thing that is going to make this offense great. Johnson will get his chances, and for the most part, he makes the most of them. His time is coming, but theres no way you sit a healthy Priest Holmes.

No way.

chiefsfan1963 · 09-12-2005, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

Wow. Starting another thread on the same subject.

Who cares if Johnson could have had 185 yards in the game?

CHIEFS WON.

Individual stats should never, NEVER be the goal of a team. The goal is to win, not get an insane statline.

Go back to your videogames boy, this is the real world.

You'll feel different if Chiefs lose and LJ only gets 9 carries while Priest gets 22 for 60 yds!!!

tk13 · 09-12-2005, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

And we may regret that when his contract is up.

I think that's overblown. Him and Carl get along. It'll have a lot to do with if Saunders is the coach or not. By the time his contract comes around Priest will have retired, LJ will be the man, so he'll have the same opportunity here he'll get anywhere else. It'll just come down to us paying him. I'd be afraid to see what a signing bonus for an elite player will be by that time, probably quite a chunk of money, and I doubt he'll cut us any slack, but that's something to worry about years down the road. As long as we have the franchise tag we'll be alright.

**Rain Man** · 09-12-2005, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

Could we get a mod to merge this with this guy's other thread? I'm gonna start going Rambo here if we keep having these threads on the front page.

I'm going to go Rocky. Rocky III.

**Bearcat** · 09-12-2005, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefsfan1963

I'm sorry you have to give him that chance! It's about the present, not the past!

IMO, it's about the future, and I think the Chiefs are doing a fine job of handling the situation. DV said today they had the plan for 2 series with Priest and one with Larry. He said this was because of the heat yesterday. He also said this plan will change week to week.

It's not just about giving the ball to the player that had the highest YPC the last game or even about keeping both players happy.... the big picture is that teams are going to have to deal with a different scheme every week. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think I saw them in the backfield together yesterday... maybe they do that next week. Maybe they give LJ most of the carries the week after that to rest Priest. It's slightly more complicated than multiplying 22 by 12.

**Bearcat** · 09-12-2005, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

Right, so lets just BENCH the single season touchdown record holder and the guy that has been the heart and soul of the Chiefs offense for the entire span of their offensive dominance.

GET A F'IN GRIP.

Holmes still has it. He just showed it. He's consistent, hes done it all, and he's the biggest security blanket the Chiefs have right now. He doesnt have a lot of time left, so you keep him on the field.

The time is rapidly approaching when we wont have Priest Holmes anymore, and then Johnson will be the guy and all you statfreaks can get out your boxes of kleenex and go to town.

Winning is what matters, not your statline.

Making defenses gameplan for both Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson is just one more thing that is going to make this offense great. Johnson will get his chances, and for the most part, he makes the most of them. His time is coming, but theres no way you sit a healthy Priest Holmes.

No way.

Er, what he said... guess I shouldn't get distracted by shiny objects while posting....

penchief · 09-12-2005, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

Besides, you dont know anymore than I do that Priests 25 carries didnt contribute to Johnson's success on only 9 carries.

Yes, Johnson had the big 35 yarder early, but so did Priest.

Larry Johnson's second scoring series was late in the football game, after Priest had been running at them all game. They were tired, wore down, and a fresh Larry Johnson coming in is a tough thing to stop.

This is what I've been talking about and what pisses me off. According to some of you, LJ's dominance is always due to someone else's greatness. "Priest wore the defense down," "Weigmann opened a hole," "nobody touched him," blah, blah, blah.

The truth is that this has been LJ's mode of operation his entire football career. The dude doesn't average 8 yards per carry because everybody else carries his water. He really is a potential 2000yd rusher. Since he's been given the chance he's outplayed Priest. Period. So stop giving credit to Priest for LJ's dominance. Stop giving Priest the credit when he runs and someone else the credit when LJ runs.

LJ outperforms Priest, plain and simple. He has a higher per carry average and scores as many TD's. What seperates him from Priest is that he has more speed, more power, and he can score from 99 yards away. He is a homerun threat and if given the chance can be a dominant force.

I love Priest. I want him on this team. But some of you are in denial.

|Zach| · 09-12-2005, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefsfan1963

You'll feel different if Chiefs lose and LJ only gets 9 carries while Priest gets 22 for 60 yds!!!

You won't know how he feels if we have touble...you will tell us about how you are not watching another Chiefs game all season and how you will see us next season.

Wallcrawler · 09-12-2005, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefsfan1963

You'll feel different if Chiefs lose and LJ only gets 9 carries while Priest gets 22 for 60 yds!!!

If this offense has to rely on Larry Johnson racking up 180+ yards on the ground to score points, then Im going to be upset at the ENTIRE offense, not just the rushing attack.

Youre a stat guru, nothing more.

Im in favor of doing what it takes to win the game. If that means passing all day, do it. If that means 22 rushes for Priest and 9 for Johnson, do it.

The coaches know what what they have in the backfield. If Johnson getting more carries is what will help us win, then they will give him the carries.

Against the Jets, he only needed 9.

The goal is to win games, and have both Holmes and Johnson fresh at the end of the season.

Running Johnson into the ground all season is not going to do that.

chiefz · 09-12-2005, 03:04 PM

Wow, suddenly everyone is in love with Larry johnson now.

chiefsfan1963 · 09-12-2005, 03:04 PM

You guys believe having a 2000 yd rusher won't help us achieve our goal? We won't win more games, more playoff games?

tk13 · 09-12-2005, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

I'm going to go Rocky. Rocky III.

Eye of the tiger! You've gotta have the eye of the tiger Rock!

penchief · 09-12-2005, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

I know I am not complaining, but count me in the group that wants to see LJ get more carries. The last 5 or 6 games last year, LJ was the man. Didn't need anyone to "wear the defense down" to get his yards.

Exactly. Not only did he make the end of the season a lot more exciting, we had more wins than losses. He had more to do with that than any other single player. He's a bona fide superstar if we give him the chance to shine. Not only will he benefit from it but so will the team. I love Priest as much as anybody but if Marshall is willing to step aside in SL then Priest should be just as willing to do so for a player who is more talented than Stephen Jackson, IMO.

|Zach| · 09-12-2005, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefsfan1963

You guys believe having a 2000 yd rusher won't help us achieve our goal? We won't win more games, more playoff games?

You believe having 2k in running yards total wont do the same?

The fact that you read that from different peoples posts shows how dense you really are.

chiefsfan1963 · 09-12-2005, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by penchief

This is what I've been talking about and what pisses me off. According to some of you, LJ's dominance is always due to someone else's greatness. "Priest wore the defense down," "Weigmann opened a hole," "nobody touched him," blah, blah, blah.

The truth is that this has been LJ's mode of operation his entire football career. The dude doesn't average 8 yards per carry because everybody else carries his water. He really is a potential 2000yd rusher. Since he's been given the chance he's outplayed Priest. Period. So stop giving credit to Priest for LJ's dominance. Stop giving Priest the credit when he runs and someone else the credit when LJ runs.

LJ outperforms Priest, plain and simple. He has a higher per carry average and scores as many TD's. What seperates him from Priest is that he has more speed, more power, and he can score from 99 yards away. He is a homerun threat and if given the chance can be a dominant force.

I love Priest. I want him on this team. But some of you are in denial.

Here! Here! I thought I was the only one on this board thinking this way!

09-12-2005, 02:14 PM
chiefsfan1963 Veteran Join Date: Oct 2001 Casino cash: $10005060	You can't give LJ just 9 carries game! Priest 22 carries, 85 yds LJ 9 carries, 110 yds You have to wonder what would happen if LJ got the 22 carries going forward! I'm sorry but you have to give the ball to LJ most of the time.
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Wallcrawler How tall is this thing? Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ground 0 for enema of US. Casino cash: $4152912	Right, so lets just BENCH the single season touchdown record holder and the guy that has been the heart and soul of the Chiefs offense for the entire span of their offensive dominance. GET A F'IN GRIP. Holmes still has it. He just showed it. He's consistent, hes done it all, and he's the biggest security blanket the Chiefs have right now. He doesnt have a lot of time left, so you keep him on the field. The time is rapidly approaching when we wont have Priest Holmes anymore, and then Johnson will be the guy and all you statfreaks can get out your boxes of kleenex and go to town. Winning is what matters, not your statline. Making defenses gameplan for both Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson is just one more thing that is going to make this offense great. Johnson will get his chances, and for the most part, he makes the most of them. His time is coming, but theres no way you sit a healthy Priest Holmes. No way. __________________ She did not open her eyes this morning. I don't know what else to say.
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chiefsfan1963 Veteran Join Date: Oct 2001 Casino cash: $10005060	You guys believe having a 2000 yd rusher won't help us achieve our goal? We won't win more games, more playoff games?
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